Stopping by to gloat....;

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I usually do not get involved in threads like this, I have pretty good self-control. But I will make an exception in this case.

Bubblehead, stop and think for a minute. You are aware that there are some people who see Hitler around every corner, who think the government is about to get them and transform the US into a police state. But come on, man, look at the history of this country. It's never happened. Even during and after the Civil War, Lincoln and the North were pretty darn decent in how they handle the aftermath. We've been through Red Scares, rigged elections, presidents who pushed the boundaries of the law, and wars and civil unrest. But in the end, the country and its leaders always follow the script. No president has ever tried to cement his hold on the office illegally. This isn't Russia. Obama is not going to "seize power", no more than Bush, or Reagan, or any of the Republican presidents did, despite the idiotic howlings of the Left at that time. You should really stop thinking in that vein--you don't want to be part of the idiotic howlings of the Right. Obama and the left may try to make laws and make changes to the country, but that's how representational democracy works. They were elected, they get to call the shots. Relax, man.

Neal I respect your statement but I believe that it is extremely naive to think it will always work out okay for us because it has in the past.Obama is different than any president, learn about the guy, analyze his actions, words etc, his associations, he is different and given his tendency to not respect the constitution and it's limits on his power, he is likely to exploit a situation and try to retain power, he is dangerous.This may not be Russia but this guy and the whack jobs in his admin and his loyal band of ignorant followers are just as bad.Maybe it will work out but it is not beneath him/them to try such shenanigans and we must be in vigilant, not complacent.Like I said, he is different, Bush or Reagan were not dangerous like obama, nor was clinton even, not in the way obama is.

Sure, elections have consequences but it does not mean they are allowed to push a destructive and unconstitutional agenda down our throats nor does it mean those of us who are not blind to who he really is are supposed to keep quiet.Half of the battle is spreading the word and waking people u, which is increasingly difficult to do since the media is basically a propaganda arm of the admin now.

[Takeda Shingen]

Pretty much sums it up right here......

Half of the battle is spreading the word and waking people u,

True, spread the word of Obamas secret army of nazi dentists and top it off with some boy scouts for illustrative purposes

I think for myself.

Evidence suggests that you don't think for yourself, and that is being generous on the allotment of thinking.

[Dowly]

Think for yourself, really, truly hard, Bubblehead. That's all I can say to you.
You will quickly find all the holes in that which you are "preaching" about now.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Think for yourself, really, truly hard, Bubblehead. That's all I can say to you.
You will quickly find all the holes in that which you are "preaching" about now.

I think for myself.Please tell me where the holes are? I doubt you have read obama's books, studied him as extensively as I have. Know thy enemy, well I do. I am rarely shocked by his behavior, even since day one because I knew plenty about him by the time he was elected in 2008, it is why I went from being open to voting for him to being vehemently opposed to his presidency.A great example is all during the first term, his propagandists on nbc, msnbc, abc, cbs, cnn all ridiculed those who warned about his extreme gun views as "he has not even mentioned gun control, he is not coming for you guns" , now that he has no reelection to worry about and the perfect tragedy to exploit for political gain, he is pushing for gun control, to hell with the constitution.Knowing how this guy is, I am not shocked.I was not shocked by his poor reaction to racial incidents because the man is racist!, Just read his book "Dreams from My Father" , look at his associations, etc, RACIST. I would say he is stupid or ignorant of things but he is not, he knows the constitution, he just hates it so is intellectually dishonest and gets those who do not know any better to follow him.There people like this in my class, we attend the same school but they ignore what it says because they don't like it and try to pass off some illegitimate interpretation as the truth, it is just absurd.Obama, like nearly all liberals do except this when it suits them.Why? because the constitution does not allow them the government they want.That is where the whole absurd "living constitution" idea came from, that it means something different now than it did then.No! The constitution's meaning only changes via the amendment process!

What is all this about? safety? ha no, it's about taking away the means to defend yourself against tyranny in whatever form it may come.The secondment is about an individual's right to self preservation, but for collectivists like obama and his loyal band of ignorant followers, individual rights do not matter.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I think for myself.Please tell me where the holes are? I doubt you have read obama's books, studied him as extensively as I have. Know thy enemy, well I do.

All you have done is set up the usual fallacy of the conspiracy theorist. Any reply from Dowly is now automatically negated under your clause that disagreement with your stance, regardless of fact or merit, is erronious due to ignorance.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why you cannot and should not waste your time arguing with such an individual. Time will prove him wrong, and when it does, he will then claim that it was his vigil that caused things to go right, much like a magic rock that keeps away tigers. Don't see any tigers outside of your house? See, the rock works.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

All you have done is set up the usual fallacy of the conspiracy theorist. Any reply from Dowly is now automatically negated under your clause that disagreement with your stance, regardless of fact or merit, is erronious due to ignorance.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why you cannot and should not waste your time arguing with such an individual. Time will prove him wrong, and when it does, he will then claim that it was his vigil that caused things to go right, much like a magic rock that keeps away tigers. Don't see any tigers outside of your house? See, the rock works.

Okay, have you ever read his books? have you looked into this guy personally? Not what the media tells you, but looked into him? who he is? who his influences are? Basically, this man's entire life is "shady", he has always associated with radicals who think this country is unfair, it's wrong, that we need to be a big orwellian style state. The man has racial issues, look what curch he attended, read his own racist words in his book, judge his actions since.The whole cop incident, the black panthers.Read up on J Christian Adams, a whistle blower at the justice department who left because Obama's AG, acting under obama's orders, refused to have the black panthers prosecuted for voter intimidate AND also said no cases of black on white intimidation will be pursued. The Trayvon Martin case, he comes out and says "Trayvon could be my son" or something to that effect, he automatically assumes the black guy is innocent, the white guy is guilty when in all these cases, the fact is, the guys he sided with were wrong.Read his book, along with his entire life, racist.Explains a lot about him.

[Dammit_Carl!]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

...The Trayvon Martin case, he comes out and says "Trayvon could be my son" or something to that effect, he automatically assumes the black guy is innocent, the white guy is guilty when in all these cases, the fact is, the guys he sided with were wrong.Read his book, along with his entire life, racist.Explains a lot about him.

I think he meant that because he is black, a black male child could have easily been his as there are generally only two sexes a child can be when they emerge from the womb.

Also, life is not kind to young, black males in the U.S. (sorry but there are many studies out there to link to just one) generally speaking - but then you get into the sticky bit of home life, father figures or lack thereof, etc., as the causative factors. There might be a greater argument that Obama could have easily gone that route himself but again that is a hypothetical sort of line to follow.

You read too much into this bit, I'm afraid, and where did he throw out that Zimmerman was guilty? Give us specifics. Make this part of your argument stick.

Tchocky

Hehe. True that.

Is this topic a good example?

Dowly

All I can say from personal experience is to look both sides, look at the sources,
and look at the sources' sources.

Is this topic a good example of that not happening at all?

[Dowly]

@Bubblehead

Obama is not going to take away your guns, nor build an army to support him.
It would never, ever, work in a country like US.

What I see commonly done here (and elsewhere) is that the "enemy" is thought to
be stupid. Without any common sense, some think they go ahead and execute
their evil masterplan, no matter how stupid it is. I really doubt that Obama is THAT stupid.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Any reply from Dowly is now automatically negated under your clause that disagreement with your stance, regardless of fact or merit, is erronious due to ignorance.

This is true. I should know, I believed 9/11 was a bit fishy, until I actually researched it myself. Not my proudest moment that.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Dowly

@Bubblehead

Obama is not going to take away your guns, nor build an army to support him.
It would never, ever, work in a country like US.

What I see commonly done here (and elsewhere) is that the "enemy" is thought to
be stupid. Without any common sense, some think they go ahead and execute
their evil masterplan, no matter how stupid it is. I really doubt that Obama is THAT stupid.



This is true. I should know, I believed 9/11 was a bit fishy, until I actually researched it myself. Not my proudest moment that.

Well there is evidence to show he is or at the least, building an apparatus for future things, perhaps when he is gone but to give the government the ability to do so under the right president and circumstances. Currently, a confiscation would not work for most part, would have a lot of resistance, a lot of good people going to jail, a lot of violence between feds and citizens.A lot of local PD and Sheriffs would likely not help out either, it would be a big mess.Would I put it past this guy anyway? No. However, so called universal background checks are tantamount to registration because they will keep a record, thats part of building the apparatus for future seizures if the right opportunity presented itself.This country has a large number people who are emotionl, reactionary idiots, just need something even worse than sandyhook to happen and it probably will at some point.


The whole point is he will pursue this course despite the constitution, because he has an agenda, he is a fellow traveler, an ideologue. I could see a big political issue being a push to allow him to serve a second term, perhaps amend the constitution or find some other way, just would not shock me knowing how this person thinks.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well there is evidence to show he is or at the least, building an apparatus for future things, perhaps when he is gone but to give the government the ability to do so under the right president and circumstances.

No, there isn't evidence, Bubblehead.

This country has a large number people who are emotionl, reactionary idiots

Hehe. True that.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

This country has a large number people who are emotionl, reactionary idiots,

Anyone notice someone like that around these here parts?

Anyone notice someone like that around these here parts?

Be fair, going on the evidence present I don't think he knows what the words he uses mean.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Dowly

This is true. I should know, I believed 9/11 was a bit fishy, until I actually researched it myself. Not my proudest moment that.

I certainly had some conspiracist traits when I was younger as well. I used to talk exactly like the pre-election Bubblehead; in total lockstep with the far right. I used to parrot their arguments, and was even a viewer of the 700 Club. In fact, I donated to it. In time, I began to believe that there was a leftist conspiracy to undermine our "fundamental Christian values" (yes, I actually used that language) and to ultimately outlaw the practice of Christianity.

What needs to happen, and what happened to people like you and I, is that we were able to pull ourselves out of that cycle before going over the edge; something similar to the fiction writer's device called the Moral Event Horizon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...alEventHorizon). In said event, a character that has been making a slide to being something of an antagonist perpetrates an act that is considered unforgivable to the reader or viewer, thus permanently labeling that character as evil. Similarly, an individual with conspiracist leanings can fall over the edge, as we have seen in this thread, by some crisis, real or imagined. In the case of the OP, the Presidential Election of 2012 was the catalyst for this change, and I fear that he may be lost for good.