Hostages 'escape Algeria captors'

[Stealhead]

Well if the hostages all die after they try a traditional style military assault rather than a more precise assault in the manner of the SAS in 1980 or the GSG-9 in 1977 those people may not have all died.

Just because they have hostage incidents in the past means nothing the out come of those may also have gone poorly in many cases.


Show me where they have the "expertise" if you don't mind in managing to rescue hostages with success.

More than likely their government has a "too bad" policy when it comes to these things."Too bad you got taken hostage we do not negotiate we just waste them maybe you'll
survive maybe we'll just shoot you and blame the terrorists." That sounds like their "expertise".

More than likely their government has a "too bad" policy when it comes to these things."Too bad you got taken hostage we do not negotiate we just waste them maybe you'll
survive maybe we'll just shoot you and blame the terrorists." That sounds like their "expertise".

Actually that sounds like the Russian experts you said they couldn't match.

That post is the 2nd time you have made mention of the Iranian siege in London.
Can you tell me how a move against a very isolated industrial complex in the middle of the desert is in any way comparable to an assault on a main road in the middle of a densely populated city launched from the adjoining buildings?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Well if the hostages all die after they try a traditional style military assault rather than a more precise assault in the manner of the SAS in 1980 or the GSG-9 in 1977 those people may not have all died.

Just because they have hostage incidents in the past means nothing the out come of those may also have gone poorly in many cases.


Show me where they have the "expertise" if you don't mind in managing to rescue hostages with success.

More than likely their government has a "too bad" policy when it comes to these things."Too bad you got taken hostage we do not negotiate we just waste them maybe you'll
survive maybe we'll just shoot you and blame the terrorists." That sounds like their "expertise".

Actually the Algerian military has a special force which was formed by example of and got trained by French special forces, Russian Spetsnatz and American SWAT. And do not underestimate the French just because they are "the Frencies". Their counter terror intelligence is amongst the very best in the world, and their special forces are said to be very good - and uncompromised - as well.

The Algerian inner politics still is a labyrinth of interests and claims for power, and the conflict between the state and religious extremists is still seething on small flame. Possible that some rivalry between political and military figures led to some military leader having taken the initiative and giving order to attack. Possible also that the government still recalls the imminent past of much more openly carried out conflict and thus did not allow to get pulled down into the swamp by endlessly tolerating the situation without trying to gain the initiative and destroying the enemy that it knows so very well.

I do not necessarily agree with the Western dogma that at all costs the hostages go first, because by that you demonstrate that kidnapping and blackmailing pays off and you encourage future acts of this kind. In cases like this, I subscribe to a policy that is quite simple: no negotiations, no compensations, the hostages free and unharmed, and now - or the attackers dead. But no negotiations. It's bitter, and in the individual case it may look inhumane. But to invite even more, even a widening of such acts because one plays soft on the initial case that started it all, to me is even more inhumane for over time it multiplies the number of victims, and the costs.

[Jimbuna]

There are sources out there saying the siege is not yet over:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/0...90F1K220130118

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21077290

[Skybird]

German news sources also say that around 650 hostages were freed during the Algerian attack. That attack thus cannot have been that misled as some people seem to have thought.

The group has announced to attack other facilities as well. The Algerians will be pleased to hear that.

Digest this for a moment: stupid EU idiots seriously want(ed?) to build huge solar farms in these deserts for electricity production that then got delivered to Europe. Of course, so was the plan, they wanted to depend on these solar farms to get rid of their dependency from Russian and ME oil and gas. Bosch and Siemens have pulled their plugs in that project meanwhile - thankfully.

[Jimbuna]

I'd predict Europe would soon be experiencing regular blackouts as their dependancy grew with regard to solar power.

[eddie]

Looks like the end has finally come. Not good though, but at least its over.

Until the next time it happens, this won't be the last of it, sadly.

http://news.msn.com/world/18-dead-as...t-on-gas-plant

[Jimbuna]

So much for it being a heavily fortified compound