The problem is that we have stupid guns in the United States

[Méo]

@tater

I don't want to go in a ''I'm right and you're wrong'' discourse, I think that leads nowhere.

But I take the Montreal case again: it's a very multicultural city, in fact I hate this city, each time I go there I feel like I'm in a different country and it's very dirty. But nevertheless, it's the safest city (for a metropolis) in North America.

The only thing, I think there's less black people than in the U.S.

http://www.studyinmontreal.info/en/node/3092

In 2008, 8 of 29 murders were related to street gangs. Compared to the 14 street gang murders committed in 2007, this is a drop of 43%.

http://www.spvm.qc.ca/en/documentation/gd_19.asp

BTW, I know this city is only one city, and therefore isn't enough in a scientifical point of view.

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And yes we have gun control laws, and that didn't prevent my friend (who's in the reserve) to spend nearly 10 000$ on several guns (maybe 5 or 6, I don't remember). There are maybe some limitations (I should ask him about it) but for sure I know he has a lot of fun whith it when he goes in the wood.

And I know laws are not the only solution, gun violence is surely a complex social problem (related to lot of things) to be examine by specialists.

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Originally Posted by tater

That is a mental health problem and has exactly nothing to do with culture.

I'm glad you admit it, I think it's precisely one of the objective of gun control, to prevent nuts from having these, maybe also those who are on medication (and believe me you can be really ****** up on this, I know, I experienced it)

And the police really like to know what kind of weapon (if any) an individual can have when they go for an arrest (I know my own sister is a police officer).

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On the other hand, let's face it, when you compare the stats between nations (by nations I mean western nations, not third world countries where gangs and drug dealers do almost whatever they want) US is by far the country where gun violence is at it's highest.

In the end it's a choice, I mean you could still think, ''no we want gun freedom at all cost'' everything is a question of values (although those values might change when you experience something dramatic).

I would even support those who want to create an independant country with their state (if they estimate their values to be dramatically different) as long as it's done democratically (even if I disagree with those values).

Peace out

[Armistead]

See that Obama unveiled his gun law proposals, same old stuff and will never pass congress.