The problem is that we have stupid guns in the United States

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Good luck disarming the Western US, Texas. Where can I volunteer for this job?

I'm not saying that it's gonna happen....(Something violent will happen though) but if it comes to that....

I feel sorry for the man who comes to take our guns...

I can see it now....it'll look like Zombieland without zombies...

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Then take a walk around Long Branch, Patterson, Newark, Asbury Park, Jersey City, Elizabeth NJ.

Go alone.

I speak on what I see, and the problem is not the legal owners.

Call it what you want.

You are talking about areas where most of the folks are not white so by default the criminals wont be either.Where I live most people are either white of hispanic therefore most of the criminals will be one of these races that does not mean that all white people are bad nor that all hispanics are either.

So you have seen a man named Tyrone that was black and a man named Juan that was latio walk up to a car open the trunk and buy an illegal firearm i very highly doubt it unless you where the one selling or your an ATF agent.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

You are talking about areas where most of the folks are not white so by default the criminals wont be either.Where I live most people are either white of hispanic therefore most of the criminals will be one of these races that does not mean that all white people are bad nor that all hispanics are either.

So you have seen a man named Tyrone that was black and a man named Juan that was latio walk up to a car open the trunk and buy an illegal firearm i very highly doubt it unless you where the one selling or your an ATF agent.

Nope, you just have to drive by. Must be nice in your candy land world.

[August]

There are criminals in every race. Then again there are Black men named Juan and White men named Tyrone and Asian men named William. The bottom line is that this isn't about the color of a mans skin. Gun control threatens all Americans regardless of race.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by August

Gun control threatens all Americans regardless of race.

I wonder if you would still think like that if it would have been your own daughter or your own wife that had been killed in these dramatic events.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Méo

I wonder if you would still think like that if it would have been your own daughter or your own wife that had been killed in these dramatic events.

I'm sorry if you lost somebody in the shootings, but Gun Control is a horrible horrible thing. It DOES threaten all Americans. It will cause more shootings than you realize.

[soopaman2]

For the record, I never gave the race of tyrone or juan, that was crammed in my mouth,

See my comment how you see it, but the people that suffer are the guys who went through courses, and massive paperwork to own like me and others, not the gangbanging, drug dealers, or in the case of most mass shooters, live at home with mommy crackers.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Sorry that is simply racist to be honest as if there are no white criminals running around with illegal weapons.Of people I know that have had guns stolen it was most often a white boy that had stolen them.Two of my class mates got a ten year ride for stealing several grand in firearms during a robbery spree they where both white.

I see a criminal not a race.

Except that the reality is that the rate of black homicide is about 10X that for non-hispanic whites (US federal crime stats). The vast majority of black homicides are with african-americans as the perp and the victim, BTW. Whites almost never kill blacks (you hear about most as "hate crimes" though the larger % the other way around are just another day at the office).

Subtract non-asian minorities in the US, and the gun violence rate (note that the stats are by the race of the victim)is high by european standards, partially because minority on non-minority killings skew the average. Still, it is high like, say, Finland. High, but not outrageously high like the near 40:100,000 rate of gun deaths for blacks.

Newtown was terrible, but none of the current or proposed gun control legislation would have stopped it. If you magically made guns go away, a 20-something YO male could kill nearly as many with a KNIFE (a guy a year or two ago in the PRC did just that, and another recently wounded as many there). On top of that, a smart nut like the Newtown whacko could use google, then make a car or truck bomb out of common goods.

The solution to gun violence in the US is largely cultural, and related to mexicans and blacks, a fair bit as gang violence (at 10X the rate, the white rate is in effect nearly noise). For nut shootings like Aurora, Newtown, etc, it's a mental health issue, and since some severe mental illness presents in the teens and 20s commonly, the first warning (from a legal standpoint of the government knowing there is a problem) might be the attack.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Méo

I wonder if you would still think like that if it would have been your own daughter or your own wife that had been killed in these dramatic events.

That's an emotional argument, which results in the emotional cry for "gun control." It is ineffective. Lower gun violence rates in other cultures are cultural, not gun control related. Remove the offending culture if you want...

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I'm sorry if you lost somebody in the shootings

No, not at all, it's just that we never realize it (be it a disease, or a shooting) until it really happens to us.

The key thing here is that we never really care when it happens to other people in other cities, it's never a severe problem until it reaches us and we get struck real hard by reality.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Méo

No, not at all, it's just that we never realize it (be it a disease, or a shooting) until it really happens to us.

The key thing here is that we never really care when it happens to other people in other cities, it's never a severe problem until it reaches us and we get struck real hard by reality.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...n-afghanistan/

No one cares, because they are black faces killed by black gunmen.

Now a school full of white kids?

BAN EM ALLL!!!!!onE!!Exclamationpoint!!

[Méo]

Originally Posted by tater

That's an emotional argument, which results in the emotional cry for "gun control." It is ineffective. Lower gun violence rates in other cultures are cultural, not gun control related.

You might be right

I too think it's a lot more a question of culture, but what's the solution?

I hope you're not gonna tell me the same arguments than the NRA, put an armed officer in each school, because mad gunman are insane but they're not completely stupid, they're just gonna take out the armed officer first, by surprise... so now what will be the solution, a SWAT team in each school, seems to me like a ridiculous thought...

[Méo]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...n-afghanistan/

It’s a War Zone! More Murders in Chicago in 2012 Than Allied Losses in Afghanistan

Damn! really, americans have a serious problem on their own.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Méo

Damn! really, americans have a serious problem on their own.

Just saying this is something we have been dealing with, why punish the legals?

Look at George Zimmerman, my opinion on him is moot, but how his incident was jacked up because of the racial bias.

Why did that not draw the ire? If Trayvon, shot another Trayvon, we never would have heard a word.

It just seems things become a problem, when white basement dwellers commit the crime.

South Central LA MS13 junior mexican cartel members, chopping off heads for fun. Chicago drops more people than an entire war zone, not my race! White guy kills a bunch of pasty white kids, ban em all!!!!!


Why do we care? We should treat these pasty whites like we treat the blacks/ minorities who die to guns. Like it never happened.


It is only a problem when middle class white kids die, which is what chaps my ass about the shootings, and the kneejerk reactions.

Shame

In other words...The media is shiesse

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Méo

Damn! really, americans have a serious problem on their own.

Let's see...310 American deaths in Afghanistan, out of 90,000 troops there...that's 0.3444%, or 1 for every 290 troops. And then there's 532 homicides in Chicago, out of a population of 2,710,000...that's 0.01963%, or 1 for every 5094 citizens in Chicago. Also, that is total homicides, and I can't find the statistics regarding how many of those murders were committed by other means than guns.

To be fair, Chicago also had a total of over 2000 shootings last year, most of them nonfatal. Something does need to be done, but as has been pointed out both gun supporters and anti-gun people tend to get excited and jump to conclusions that aren't valid. One article cited the number of illegal guns confiscated and the number of gang members arrested, both of which were in the thousands. As has been mentioned many times, taking away the guns of legal owners is as bad an answer as doing nothing at all.

I see people on both sides making a lot of emotional noise, but I don't see anybody actually suggesting solutions.