Fiscal Cliff..

August · 01-03-13, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I just rolled over and took it.

Did you bother to write your congress critters and complain? Letter to the editor of your local newspaper? Do anything but roll over and take it?

Our system only works when we let our elected officials know our minds in no uncertain terms. Maybe they'll ignore it but your opinion still has to be made known to them and in no uncertain terms or else they'll figure you agree with their direction and ram it to you even more.

geetrue · 01-03-13, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Did you bother to write your congress critters and complain? Letter to the editor of your local newspaper? Do anything but roll over and take it?

Our system only works when we let our elected officials know our minds in no uncertain terms. Maybe they'll ignore it but your opinion still has to be made known to them and in no uncertain terms or else they'll figure you agree with their direction and ram it to you even more.

That's good advice August ...

Trying to convince people online of anything is a waste of time

I'm going to do just that ... sit down and write someone that cares a letter.

You should be a teacher August

Wait a minute ... you are a teacher

AVGWarhawk · 01-04-13, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Did you bother to write your congress critters and complain? Letter to the editor of your local newspaper? Do anything but roll over and take it?

Our system only works when we let our elected officials know our minds in no uncertain terms. Maybe they'll ignore it but your opinion still has to be made known to them and in no uncertain terms or else they'll figure you agree with their direction and ram it to you even more.

I wrote my Congressman once. I was told they are "looking into it".

I also caught our county executive in a lie. Our creek has high ecoli content. After "five years" of "study" it was determined the neighborhoods surrounding the creek has dog crap run off that is the cause for high ecoli content in the creek. In the meantime the county quietly repaired the cities main crap pipe that was cracked and feeding a tributary to the the creek for years. Not to mention the crap pump station that overflows crap when it rains. The pump station is just yards from the creek. You know what the country answer was for the "doggie crap" run off? Crap collection bags and a trash can. The real answer was the city crap pipe spilling gallons of raw sewerage in to the creek. The creek feeds the Chesapeake Bay. Does the county want that plastered all over the newspapers? Not really. Blame it on Fido.

I can go into detail on a certain road in Stewartstown PA that was fought tooth and nail but the citizens lost the battle because the road was more convenient for the city offical who's house just happened to be at the end of the newly opened road.

In short, I have little faith in our government. Letters are nice. They get things off your chest. IMO not much more.

August · 01-04-13, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

In short, I have little faith in our government. Letters are nice. They get things off your chest. IMO not much more.

A lack of faith does not justify giving up and writing one single letter to one congressman is not a serious effort. It takes many letters to officials and the media, speaking up at town meetings, complaints to state ethics boards, in other words being a general pain in the butt (and this is the important part) being one that won't go away.

Those are the tactics that can and do bring results.

AVGWarhawk · 01-04-13, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by August

A lack of faith does not justify giving up and writing one single letter to one congressman is not a serious effort. It takes many letters to officials and the media, speaking up at town meetings, complaints to state ethics boards, in other words being a general pain in the butt (and this is the important part) being one that won't go away.

Those are the tactics that can and do bring results.

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is not a serious effort.

Sorry dad.

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It takes many letters to officials

It should only take one letter. Period

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in other words being a general pain in the butt

This should never be necessary. Pandering to be heard is nonsense. The last time I checked the elected officals work for the citizens. Unfortunately the self-serving elected officials believe it is the other way around.

I still have little faith.

August · 01-04-13, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It should only take one letter. Period

Sorry I don't mean to preach AVG but why should it only take one letter? A congressman receives many emails and letters every day. Your single attempt at communication is just being lost in the background noise.

That's why I say persistence is key.

AVGWarhawk · 01-04-13, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Sorry I don't mean to preach AVG but why should it only take one letter? A congressman receives many emails and letters every day. Your single attempt at communication is just being lost in the background noise.

That's why I say persistence is key.

Why should I need to write multiple emails and letters? One should be sufficient. If my letter is just thrown out or glanced over what does that say for the congressman? If I addressed the myriad of emails I receive during a FEMA emergency response like said congressman I would be walking. Why should I send letter after letter? I'm expected to respond with all the background noise. If the congressman can not then perhaps another line of work is suggested.

I don't think we will agree on approaches. I have seen enough nonsense to warrant my view on how the government handles issues.

August · 01-04-13, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I have seen enough nonsense to warrant my view on how the government handles issues.

You're entitled to any view you want but don't complain that your government reps are ignoring you if you refuse to make your opinions known to them.

Armistead · 01-04-13, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Sorry I don't mean to preach AVG but why should it only take one letter? A congressman receives many emails and letters every day. Your single attempt at communication is just being lost in the background noise.

That's why I say persistence is key.

You really think it would change anything?

August · 01-04-13, 03:10 PM

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You really think it would change anything?

Maybe and maybe not but if you don't at least try it definitely won't.

Platapus · 01-04-13, 05:39 PM

I think this guy sums it up accurately when it comes to politicians and running this country.

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We all know what to do, but we don’t know how to get re-elected once we have done it.

-- Jean-Claud Juncker

soopaman2 · 01-04-13, 05:51 PM

Since we are on about our inept politicians, here is one trying to make a difference, and pissing into the wind (ie, going against his own party, with zero fear)

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TRENTON, N.J. — Gov. Chris Christie's blunt talk has long been one of his hallmarks.
But Christie, who has verbally tangled with many, showed Wednesday he's willing to aim his barbs at the highest echelons of his own party.
In a State House news conference, Christie blasted Republican U.S. House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio for delaying a vote on a $60 billion aid package for Superstorm Sandy recovery.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...istie_bla.html

That nomination in 2016 is looking foggy Mr. Christie. Especially if you keep trashing king crybaby Boner.

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Harsh criticism of Boehner by elected officials in New York and New Jersey turned into a bipartisan affair Wednesday. But it was Christie's remarks that drew the most attention, both for what he said and his willingness, as a Republican with higher aspirations, to so forcefully take on Boehner and Congressional Republicans.