Coming up: Shortest and least deadly school shooting in history

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

And if we had floors that we could electrify, we could have cooked the intruder in his own juices.

My statement was relevant. Yours is not.

The goal is to prevent the deaths in the first place, which means stopping these types of people at the door.

I completely agree. The real problem is to stop the bad people. It would be nice if we could stop the bad people from ever getting guns. But we can't. And taking guns away from the good people, which seems to be the other sides only answer, won't work either.

Once the shooting starts, children are going to die and we have already failed, regardless of how many Dirty Harrys we have around. This is what exasperates me with this arm everybody argument.

True, but this part of the discussion is about what do once we've failed and the shooting starts. Close our eyes and pray the bad guy goes away. Wait for the police to arrive? Or maybe do something about it now.

It is not only a poor answer, it is a lazy one too.

No, it is neither. It's a backup plan, an answer for what to do once the shooting starts. That you disagree with it is fine. That you think it is a bad idea is also fine. Is it truly a bad idea? We won't know that until the next time the shooting starts.

People had this same discussion when the nutcase drove his pickup truck through the window of the diner in Killeen, Texas, and started shooting people. John Walsh got the shock of his life when he gathered the survivors together and asked what they though could have been done. One woman said "I wish I hadn't left my gun in the truck." The others all agreed. People said that was the wrong attituded, but when two armed men robbed a diner in Anniston, Alabama, and tried to lock everybody in the freezer, one of the patrons pulled his gun and shot them both.

So it's not a bad idea, or a lazy one. It's just one idea of what to do once the shooting starts.

You can argue, and Tribesman can ridicule, but we won't know if it's a good idea or a bad one until it actually happens. Nobody wants that, but sooner or later it will. Then we'll see.