Coming up: Shortest and least deadly school shooting in history

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

It might work in a situation where there is trust and respect between the teachers
and students. But in larger schools? What would prevent a student from flipping
out and attacking the teacher and taking his/her gun?

The fact that it is hidden? The fact that it would likely be locked up in a desk drawer?

Huh? Some of Yubba's rants make more sense than that.

It was about the fact that part of his sentence literally made no sense.

Really?
what is the difference between other shootings and someone going postal?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I can't believe that any teachers union would pass off on the liability of having it's members armed. But, this is Texas, where gun violence is a way of life.

I was unaware that gun violence was a way of life in Texas. I can't personally say i have ever experienced it, and can only claim to have known one person who i know who has.

of course he has a concealed handgun permit so the situation pretty much was settled right away

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

No you're thinking of states like California and Illinois...

No, I'm thinking of Texas.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...crime-us-state

Number of Gun Homicides for 2011:

1. California 1220
2. Texas 699
3. Pennsylvania 470

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Or put it another way, if guns are the problem how are guns the answer.

Because guns aren't the problem. The problem is that some people are insane. We can't seem to cure them, or even spot them before they harm someone else, so we come up with different ideas about how to protect ourselves.

Of course your answer is to ridicule any opinion that differs from yours.

[GoldenRivet]

699... thats pretty good i think

not bad at all for 25M residents and a high number of em being gun slingers

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Really?
what is the difference between other shootings and someone going postal?

I wasn't talking about your attitude or your opinion. I was talking about the sentence itself. If you read what you wrote you would know that.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

669... thats pretty good i think

not bad at all for 25M residents and a high number of em being gun slingers

As long as you're cool with being number 2 in the nation for gun violence, then okay, by all mean arm everybody.

Silliness.

Because guns aren't the problem. The problem is that some people are insane.

So the problem is insane people getting guns.

We can't seem to cure them, or even spot them before they harm someone else

So you can't seem to tell which people will flip.

so we come up with different ideas about how to protect ourselves.

And the idea is to give people guns, people which you cannot tell if they are going to flip.

you really shot down your own attempt there

[GoldenRivet]

We have armed pilots why not armed teachers?

they should have a word of the day every day that changes.

If you hear shots lock the doors turn off the lights and move the kids to a non visible corner of the room, the teacher then draws the side arm, aims it at the door and awaits the secure word before unlocking the door, opening it and holstering the weapon.

piece of cake.

if gunman gains access to the room, fire the side arm until all ammunition is expended and let the authorities worry about cleaning his gray matter off the chalk board.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So the problem is insane people getting guns.

No, the problem is telling who is insane before hand. Your answer is to disarm everybody, which still leaves insane people around. And which is impossible anyway.

So you can't seem to tell which people will flip.

True. When your insane neighbor kills your family by some other means, your friends will mourn you. When my insane neighbor comes into my home and tries to kill me, I'll shoot him.

And the idea is to give people guns, people which you cannot tell if they are going to flip.

No, my answer is to try to figure out a way to tell who is insane. In the meantime, my answer is to try to protect my family any way I can.

you really shot down your own attempt there

You really showed your trademarked arrogance there. You really are Skybird's twin.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

We have armed pilots why not armed teachers?

they should have a word of the day every day that changes.

If you hear shots lock the doors turn off the lights and move the kids to a non visible corner of the room, the teacher then draws the side arm, aims it at the door and awaits the secure word before unlocking the door, opening it and holstering the weapon.

piece of cake.

if gunman gains access to the room, fire the side arm until all ammunition is expended and let the authorities worry about cleaning his gray matter off the chalk board.

Except that schools already do that. They drill on it every month, minus the firearm. I don't know how your schools are, but the classrooms have doors up here that you aren't getting into once they are locked, at least not before the authorities arrive. The problem with this most recent shooting was that the shooter was already in the classroom and shooting before the lockdown sounded. In that case, the damage is already done, and no volume of additional firearms will undo it.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

As long as you're cool with being number 2 in the nation for gun violence, then okay, by all mean arm everybody.

Silliness.

i am cool with it...

you're telling me 699 gun related deaths in Texas for 2011? what were the situations with each? how many of those killed were drug dealers or addicts?

there were half that many homicides in the entire city of Detroit alone. 1/3 that number in Baltimore.

yes, im glad my state has roughly the same number of homicides state wide as some cities do. thats not remotely silly.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

The problem with this most recent shooting was that the shooter was already in the classroom and shooting before the lockdown sounded. In that case, the damage is already done, and no volume of additional firearms will undo it.

And if one of the teachers who died trying to attack the attacker had been armed, it might have ended there.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And if one of the teachers who died trying to attack the attacker had been armed, it might have ended there.

And if we had floors that we could electrify, we could have cooked the intruder in his own juices.

The goal is to prevent the deaths in the first place, which means stopping these types of people at the door. Once the shooting starts, children are going to die and we have already failed, regardless of how many Dirty Harrys we have around. This is what exasperates me with this arm everybody argument. It is not only a poor answer, it is a lazy one too.