US mulling Syrian emergency intervention? - Page 2

em2nought · 12-04-12, 09:50 PM

Yep, Ron Paul is the insane one.

eddie · 12-04-12, 10:15 PM

There is no US troops getting ready to go anywhere. Only movement of any kind is from NATO sending Patriot Missile batteries to Turkey. Nothing more. No evidence has shown the Syrians are mixing their WMD's. The US has plans to react if they start doing that, but it would not involve ground force. It would take thousands to go into Syria to secure their WMD sites, but there are no plans to do that ATM.

If we do anything, most info leans towards the use of Cruise missiles, strikes against the leadership mainly. Strikes against the WMD sites would probably not be the smartest thing to do either.

12-05-12, 03:08 AM

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Didn't the same sort of rumours start up over Libya?

Yep, and as well as Libya he also posted the same rumour that thousands of US troops were invading Egypt two weeks ago.
At least its consistant

Jimbuna · 12-05-12, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Various German newspaper report that 75,000 American troops are readying and preparing for Syria. No word on where they come from. This news is making the round over here since all this day.

Why don't they name their sources?

Skybird · 12-05-12, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Why don't they name their sources?

They do, its the Washington Post which for itself refers to confidential informants, German newspapers say. They claim to just echo a report by the WP.

However, investigating a bit via Google, it is possible that they messed up another news from mid-November, that says internal studies by the Pentagon show that securing of WMDs in Syria would need 75,000 troops. Could be coincidence that the number is the same, but I think not.

Destroying chemicals via air strikes once they are filled into missile warheads and shells is seen as relatively ineffective by military analysts of the matter, the reports from mid-November say. Destroying the agents before they get filled however would be effective, but releases them to the environment in very large quantities,

Jimbuna · 12-05-12, 07:42 AM

Whilst accepting the details about the dangers of destroying the weapons and releasing them into the environment I am of the opinion the 75,000 figure is probably coincidental...yes it may have been decided that many personnel may be needed but it doesn't automatically mean that is the preferred method.

I still suspect it would be missile strikes from air, surface and sub surface that would be used to take out his military infrsatructure, weakening him to the point where the land battle was even sided, just as it was done in Libya.

Skybird · 12-05-12, 07:53 AM

I now think the German media has blown it up. Here is the NYT, mid-November.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/wo...anted=all&_r=0

Skybird · 12-05-12, 08:02 AM

And this is the German edition of Der Spiegel who seems to be one of the very few German newspapers of the past 48 hours who got ir correctly summarised, saying that it is a rpeort by the NYT (not the WP), that "75000" is the answer given in an analysis of the question how much troops would be needed "if", that it is unclear if it still is just in the planning stage or a decision on executing the plan already has been made and material preparations already have started. There is a special forces unit in Jordan, 150 men, this seems to be certain, tasked with helping the Jordans with refugees and protective measure against Syrian chemicals at the border with Syria.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-870876.html

Many newspapers here stll paint it as if 75000 troops are already standing ready.

Quality "journalism".

Jimbuna · 12-05-12, 08:10 AM

I obviously can't read German but that first link and your last post makes for clarity and how I suspected the real position is/was

eddie · 12-05-12, 04:23 PM

I agree it would be a missile type attack if it was warranted, but there's something I don't understand.

Back a few years ago, when either Hezbollah or Hamas (not sure which) kidnapped that Israeli soldier, the IAF bombed the main airport runways in Beirut, blew up bridges that crossed from Lebanon into Syria also. When Israeli intelligence discovered Assad was at his vacation home in NW Syria, the IAF flew in low ands fast, causing several sonic booms directly over his house. Letting him know they better not take that soldier to Syria. All aircraft returned safely.

When the Israeli's discovered the nuclear facility the Syrians were building, the IAF flew in and took it out. Again, all aircraft returned safely.

We don't want to expose American pilots to the so called Syrian air defense sytems, and yet the Israelis, don't have much problem with this sytem at all. What do they know, that we don't?

Jimbuna · 12-05-12, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie

We don't want to expose American pilots to the so called Syrian air defense sytems, and yet the Israelis, don't have much problem with this sytem at all. What do they know, that we don't?

I doubt they know anything more than the US because of mutual intelligence gathering and sharing.

Skybird · 12-05-12, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I doubt they know anything more than the US because of mutual intelligence gathering and sharing.

A wise card player keeps his ace hidden until the correct time to play it.

I think the Israelis probably have the one or the other hidden information in their backhand that the Us so far does not know about. And US intel services are known for their notorious allergy against sharing their info. They only do it when it absolutely cannot be avoid. To get what the "partnerside" has, but not to give what one has oneself, however is the preferred working method of American intel.

Jimbuna · 12-05-12, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

A wise card player keeps his ace hidden until the correct time to play it.

I think the Israelis probably have the one or the other hidden information in their backhand that the Us so far does not know about. And US intel services are known for their notorious allergy against sharing their info. They only do it when it absolutely cannot be avoid. To get what the "partnerside" has, but not to give what one has oneself, however is the preferred working method of American intel.

Possibly where certain super sensitive information is concerned but I believe the deatl in question is about flying low and with a certain imunity to SAM radar defences and I doubt the Israelis are any further advanced than the US...probably even less so.

eddie · 12-06-12, 01:11 AM

Assad is playing with fire now, the bombs loaded with sarin are ready, but haven't been used yet. This is going to get real ugly now.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...id=msnhp&pos=1

Armistead · 12-06-12, 01:34 AM

We have moved a carrier group off of Syria...

China isn't going to do nothing but rant, their economy is still heavily tied to ours. Russia will do nothing. My guess is we push action through the UN if chemical weapons are used.

The bigger issue if Assad falls, what will happen to all the chemical weapons. This is probably the biggest fear right now, no telling whose hands these could fall into. If Assad goes the country will fall into chaos.
Let's face it , when it comes to the Mid-East

It takes a Dictator....

12-04-12, 09:50 PM	#16
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,485 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yep, Ron Paul is the insane one. __________________ em2nought is ecstatic garbage!

12-04-12, 10:15 PM	#17
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	There is no US troops getting ready to go anywhere. Only movement of any kind is from NATO sending Patriot Missile batteries to Turkey. Nothing more. No evidence has shown the Syrians are mixing their WMD's. The US has plans to react if they start doing that, but it would not involve ground force. It would take thousands to go into Syria to secure their WMD sites, but there are no plans to do that ATM. If we do anything, most info leans towards the use of Cruise missiles, strikes against the leadership mainly. Strikes against the WMD sites would probably not be the smartest thing to do either. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-05-12, 07:42 AM	#21
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,946 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Whilst accepting the details about the dangers of destroying the weapons and releasing them into the environment I am of the opinion the 75,000 figure is probably coincidental...yes it may have been decided that many personnel may be needed but it doesn't automatically mean that is the preferred method. I still suspect it would be missile strikes from air, surface and sub surface that would be used to take out his military infrsatructure, weakening him to the point where the land battle was even sided, just as it was done in Libya. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-05-12, 07:53 AM	#22
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,717 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I now think the German media has blown it up. Here is the NYT, mid-November. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/wo...anted=all&_r=0 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-05-12, 08:02 AM	#23
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,717 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And this is the German edition of Der Spiegel who seems to be one of the very few German newspapers of the past 48 hours who got ir correctly summarised, saying that it is a rpeort by the NYT (not the WP), that "75000" is the answer given in an analysis of the question how much troops would be needed "if", that it is unclear if it still is just in the planning stage or a decision on executing the plan already has been made and material preparations already have started. There is a special forces unit in Jordan, 150 men, this seems to be certain, tasked with helping the Jordans with refugees and protective measure against Syrian chemicals at the border with Syria. http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-870876.html Many newspapers here stll paint it as if 75000 troops are already standing ready. Quality "journalism". __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-05-12, 08:10 AM	#24
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,946 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I obviously can't read German but that first link and your last post makes for clarity and how I suspected the real position is/was __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-05-12, 04:23 PM	#25
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	I agree it would be a missile type attack if it was warranted, but there's something I don't understand. Back a few years ago, when either Hezbollah or Hamas (not sure which) kidnapped that Israeli soldier, the IAF bombed the main airport runways in Beirut, blew up bridges that crossed from Lebanon into Syria also. When Israeli intelligence discovered Assad was at his vacation home in NW Syria, the IAF flew in low ands fast, causing several sonic booms directly over his house. Letting him know they better not take that soldier to Syria. All aircraft returned safely. When the Israeli's discovered the nuclear facility the Syrians were building, the IAF flew in and took it out. Again, all aircraft returned safely. We don't want to expose American pilots to the so called Syrian air defense sytems, and yet the Israelis, don't have much problem with this sytem at all. What do they know, that we don't? __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-06-12, 01:11 AM	#29
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Assad is playing with fire now, the bombs loaded with sarin are ready, but haven't been used yet. This is going to get real ugly now. http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...id=msnhp&pos=1 __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-06-12, 01:34 AM	#30
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	We have moved a carrier group off of Syria... China isn't going to do nothing but rant, their economy is still heavily tied to ours. Russia will do nothing. My guess is we push action through the UN if chemical weapons are used. The bigger issue if Assad falls, what will happen to all the chemical weapons. This is probably the biggest fear right now, no telling whose hands these could fall into. If Assad goes the country will fall into chaos. Let's face it , when it comes to the Mid-East It takes a Dictator....