With Day of Protests, Fast-Food Workers Seek More Pay

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by August

Assuming that your figures are right and their figures are wrong. Since they base their calculations on the Consumer Price Index and you're basing your calculations on, well I'm assuming you didn't pull them out of thin air.

In any case minimum wage is not and has never been intended to be a living wage, nor has it ever been a living wage in reality. That was true in 1975 and it is still true today.

This is true here is something of interest living wage calculator for each state and county in the US.in my county the living wage for 1 adult is $8.23 and I know for a fact that most entry level jobs pay that or fairly close to it.

http://livingwage.mit.edu/

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Privateer

Give them what they want!
When burgers go up to $10.00 a piece and the place goes belly up cause no one buys them any more?
They can find another job and screw that up as well!

The service is crap nowdays as it is!
Fast food died along time ago anyway because of lazy arsed workers who think they deserve more for less!

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...t/101_200.html

McDonald's: Number 107 on the 2012 Fortune 500. Ahead of:

Macy's (110)
Rite Aid (113)
Staples (114)
Northwestern Mutual (116)
Goodyear Tire and Rubber (126)
Xerox (127)
Hartford Financial Services Group (131)
Nike (136)
Exelon (145)

I'm pretty sure they'll be okay. Can't say as much for their employees, but that's never seemed to be much of a concern in American business.

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I'm pretty sure they'll be okay. Can't say as much for their employees, but that's never seemed to be much of a concern in American business.

Depends on who you work for I guess. Not all employers are like that, but employee welfare has never been much of a concern to the consumer either. We're all quite happy to buy that burger as cheaply as possible.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Depends on who you work for I guess. Not all employers are like that, but employee welfare has never been much of a concern to the consumer either. We're all quite happy to buy that burger as cheaply as possible.

That's also true.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The average home price in 1975 was about $38,000, or $163,000 in today's dollars. The average home price today is just under $190,000.

The average cost for a gallon of gas in 1975 was about $0.63 or $2.71 in today's dollars. The average cost for a gallon of gas today is $4.32.

The average cost for a loaf of bread in 1975 was about $0.25 or $1.07 in today's dollars. Today, a loaf of bread is about $2.00.

So $2.10 in 1975 went farther than $7.25 does today.

To be fair though, many other prices have gone down (or shall we say did not increase)

For people of my generation, it seems unimaginable that domestic long distance was charged per minute, you had to be crazy to spend 5000$ on a computer with 640 kb, and when it was impossible to get cheap manufactured goods at your closest big box store.

I as a taxpayer don't like subsidizing WalMart and McDonalds' labor costs. And make no mistake, that's exactly what we're doing when two of the biggest firms in the world, in the richest country in the world, won't pay their employees enough to keep them off of Medicaid and welfare.

in my opinions, employers pay what the labor is worth. This is why minimum wage jobs are often the jobs with the least amount of skill required, with the least decision making, and with the least amount of responsibility. From what I hear, a fry cook at MacDonald's don't even "flip burgers" anymore. They press a button, and the top of the grill comes down and "presses" the burger from both sides.

what you have to consider, is how much the labor is worth to employers. how much revenue does this employee bring in? at 10.25$/hour is it worth hiring 2 guys to stand in the isle to help customers? what if the cost increases to 15$/hour? is it still a good idea to hire 2 guys? or would one be enough?

Originally Posted by August

Depends on who you work for I guess. Not all employers are like that, but employee welfare has never been much of a concern to the consumer either. We're all quite happy to buy that burger as cheaply as possible.

When you hit one of the so-called fast food joints, and Moisha and Darnell are more interested in what Sasha posted on FaceBook rather then taking a freaking order?
Travel like I do and see what the AVERAGE fast food worker is actually doing.
Then pay them what they are worth.

[August]

Originally Posted by privateer

When you hit one of the so-called fast food joints, and Moisha and Darnell are more interested in what Sasha posted on FaceBook rather then taking a freaking order?
Travel like I do and see what the AVERAGE fast food worker is actually doing.
Then pay them what they are worth.

Exactly. But then again I guess their lack of interest in their job is to be expected since nowadays they grow up being coddled by society into thinking they're "special" and deserve not only a chance to succeed but success itself.

Average Fast food worker I run into all over the U.S.A.

[Onkel Neal]

Come on, no one is supposed to make a career out of flipping burgers or washing cars. But it can ...

Lol, I'm not going to post a direct link, but if you can stand an avalanche of vulgar language, search MCDONALD'S EMPLOYEE RANT! on YouTube. This person is worth a major bump in pay?

If any continue through life in the condition of the hired laborer, it is not the fault of the system, but because of either a dependent nature which prefers it, or improvidence, folly, or singular misfortune.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I as a taxpayer don't like subsidizing WalMart and McDonalds' labor costs. And make no mistake, that's exactly what we're doing when two of the biggest firms in the world, in the richest country in the world, won't pay their employees enough to keep them off of Medicaid and welfare.

Raise the minimum wage to a living wage and people will have more to spend. If people have more to spend, the economy does better. If the economy does better, more jobs are created.

Shop elsewhere. BTW, your idea is simplistic. Just give them more money. They will piss it away on goods. The economy will grow. Same thing the Fed does. Print more money. Give it away. The economy will grow.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Shop elsewhere.

AHEM MAN BROTHER!
WalMart survives because people SHOP there! DUH!!!
People whine 'Pay them better' but if prices went up?
WalMart goes the way of the old K-Marts and on and on.
Anyone remember the 5 Cousins stores?
Or many of the old 5 and Dimes?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

$2.10 in the 1970s went a lot farther than $7.25 does today. Gas, housing and food was all cheaper on an inflation adjusted basis. Not to mention that in the 70's only about 10% of young people had a college degree. Now it's around 25%. Finding a job that pays a livable wage without a college degree is a lot harder than it was back then.

The idea that "everyone can be rich if they just worked harder" just doesn't work. It's simple math. You can't have a society where every electrician, cop, teacher, construction worker, gardener, waiter, plumber, secretary and everyone else that's needed for society to, you know, function makes $100,000 a year. Telling people that they need to shut the hell up because they're lazy and I pulled myself up by my bootstraps all by myself is a simplistic mindset that ignores the reality of the way the world actually works.

Intentionally conflating the idea of "anyone can be rich" and "everyone can be rich" is bad form.

My God Mookie, nothing goes right for you. I don't know bud. I worked hard all my life. Two jobs. Both menial. Went to school at the same time. So yes, my experience would indicate hard work pays off. It is not a idea. It's truth you choose to ignore. Sometimes the simplistic idea is the correct idea. And yeah, the wages to cost of living are all relative when comparing the time period of said pay and that cost of living.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Come on, no one is supposed to make a career out of flipping burgers or washing cars. But it can ...

Lol, I'm not going to post a direct link, but if you can stand an avalanche of vulgar language, search MCDONALD'S EMPLOYEE RANT! on YouTube. This person is worth a major bump in pay?

If any continue through life in the condition of the hired laborer, it is not the fault of the system, but because of either a dependent nature which prefers it, or improvidence, folly, or singular misfortune.

That's just to simplistic. Do I get use of the companies Leer jet?

Wahh! I can't afford a 50" flat screen TV.
Wahh! I can't afford a new car. (Never EVER had a new car!)
Wahh! I didn't or don't this or that.
WTF??

It's called LIFE! Get use to it! No one promised you a damned thing!
Is it tough? You bet your sweet arse it is!
Is it fair? Well HELL NO!!
You were given a chance when you were born!
That's it! Once you sucked air? It was all up to you.
Blame anyone you want it don't matter and never will.
Blame is the comforter of the 'I could a beens'.
Snuggle up and sleep tight!


And where the HELL is my Big Mac?

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Come on, no one is supposed to make a career out of flipping burgers or washing cars. But it can ...

Lol, I'm not going to post a direct link, but if you can stand an avalanche of vulgar language, search MCDONALD'S EMPLOYEE RANT! on YouTube. This person is worth a major bump in pay?

If any continue through life in the condition of the hired laborer, it is not the fault of the system, but because of either a dependent nature which prefers it, or improvidence, folly, or singular misfortune.

I saw that video just now(I think several came up under MCDONALD'S EMPLOYEE RANT!) yeah worthy of a pay raise indeed.This one was a black gay man who dislikes some Russian co-worker that laughs like a hyena.

I think everyone in this video should get at 20% raise the last guy someone should have knocked him out: