More Holocaust survivors to receive German compensation - Page 4

Oberon · 11-22-12, 10:06 AM

"Der Krieg? Ich kann das nicht so schrecklich finden! Der Tod eines Menschen: das ist eine Katastrophe. Hunderttausend Tote: das ist eine Statistik!"

Hottentot · 11-22-12, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

But can the approximation of 5.2-6 million be regarded as a fact?

Unless you or someone else proves it wrong, it's as much of a fact as we can get. This should be self evident for anyone with university education, heck, anyone with any education at all. These facts can and will be questioned, but "it's propaganda" is no questioning. It's sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LAALAALAA". It's no different from calling the world flat because you personally believe it's flat and then insisting that calling the world round is propaganda.

MH · 11-22-12, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz

I mustn't answer to such provocations since I'm on probation.

Whatever...i dont really care.
Now lets pretend that it is inteligent conversation...carry on...

Gerald · 11-22-12, 10:45 AM

^ Hi MH! How are things?

kranz · 11-22-12, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

This should be self evident for anyone with university education, heck, anyone with any education at all.

Ah, yes - so obvious.
If it's so simple, let's confront your definition of a fact with the wiki definition of a fact:
'A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.'

So, which has really occurred - 5.2? or 6? or 5.5?
For me, the approximation 5.2-6 is only a speculation (OALD: the act of forming opinions about what has happened or what might happen without knowing all the facts).

The problem begins when a law forces you to take speculations for facts and punishes you for not complying.

Hottentot · 11-22-12, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kranz

If it's so simple, let's confront your definition of a fact with the wiki definition of a fact:
'A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.'

So we are to suppose that Julius Caesar never lived? How can you know for sure?

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The problem begins when a law forces you to take speculations for facts and punishes you for not complying.

Law forces no such thing.

11-22-12, 02:21 PM

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The problem begins when a law forces you to take speculations for facts and punishes you for not complying.

Yet that law doesn't exist, the law you are on about says you cannot challenge the facts of nazi crimes as documented in the nazi governments own papers.

Hottentot · 11-22-12, 02:31 PM

Have you stopped beating your wife, Tribesman?

11-22-12, 02:36 PM

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Have you stopped beating your wife, Tribesman?

No

You can see why kranz has a problem with this law though can't you.
It means that as well as being silly when he claims certain things didn't happen he is breaking the law because the Germans documented what they did

Hottentot · 11-22-12, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

You can see why kranz has a problem with this law though can't you.

I personally can't see how it relates to anything in a first place. What law is that? A one set by the Illuminati which is going to murder you for a thought crime, no matter where you are?

Ignoring for a moment that the argument is silly, does that law prevent a foreign researcher from studying the documents and publishing in a foreign country? What are they going to do about it? Read and censor each and every note taken by all the researchers in the world (for such a popular subject there should be many) and rip them apart if they aren't happy with it?

Dowly · 11-22-12, 02:49 PM

^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_ag..._denial#Poland

Hottentot · 11-22-12, 02:55 PM

So I repeat the question: I go there, research, take notes, come back to Finland and in a year or two publish a book where I outright deny that Holocaust ever happened (after which I will hopefully apply to the nearest mental asylum.) What are they going to do? Come here and arrest me?

Gerald · 11-22-12, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

So I repeat the question: I go there, research, take notes, come back to Finland and in a year or two publish a book where I outright deny that Holocaust ever happened (after which I will hopefully apply to the nearest mental asylum.) What are they going to do? Come here and arrest me?

No, it will probably be difficult according to current Finnish law to put you behind bars, you will not get many followers who agree with you in what you say, that denial.

Dowly · 11-22-12, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

What are they going to do?

Absolutely nothing.

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