[WIP] Dynamic Environment SH5

[gap]

Originally Posted by Targor Avelany

Do you really need North America's Vancouver Pacific trees?

Don't think there was much action over here during wwii

Obviously I am more interested in other areas, but during the spare time I'll try to represent all the vegetations submitted in this thread, as long as they lie on a continental shore.

[volodya61]

Hi Gap!

Not sure is this helpful or not.. not quite where I live but close ..

The Black Sea coast of Caucasus and Crimea

Pine, Cypress, Acacia, Beech, Oak, Almonds, Magnolia, Olive..

EDIT: Maybe some day Trevally would make Black Sea campaign in OHII..

[gap]

Originally Posted by volodya61

Hi Gap!

Not sure is this helpful or not.. not quite where I live but close ..

The Black Sea coast of Caucasus and Crimea

Pine, Cypress, Acacia, Beech, Oak, Almonds, Magnolia, Olive..

EDIT: Maybe some day Trevally would make Black Sea campaign in OHII..

Thank you very much for your help Volodya,
yes the Black Sea vegetation will be definetely included in Dynamic Environment.

Let's push that lazy Trevally into bringing U-boatwaffe further on the Eastern front!

Reasoning on the flora of Black Sea shores, according to WWF classification it lies between the following ecoregions:

SW: Balkan mixed forests:




S: Euxine-Colchic deciduous forests:




SE: Caucasus mixed forests:




NE to NW: Pontic steppe:




With small enclaves composed by the Crimean Submediterranean forest complex on southern Ukraine (n. 4 in the following map):




and by the East European forest steppe on part of the Romanian shore (again n. 4 in the following map):



According to the locations provided by you, the vegetation you have described could belong either to the Caucasus mixed forest, to the Submediterranean forest or to the Ponitc steppe.

Wich one of the above ecoregions is descibed better by the plants you have listed?

Could you provide me with scientific names, or at least with more specific common names? "Pines", "Oaks", etc. come in a lot of shapes, colours and sizes, and I wish to be as accurate as possible, for making you to feel at home when you visit a location that you are accustomed to

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

Wich one of the above ecoregions is descibed better by the plants you have listed?

I said about - Crimean Submediterranean forest complex



I described the vegetation of the region #4 on the picture above..
It's not only the Southern Ukraine ecoregion .. it's also the Southern Russia ecoregion from Novorossiysk to Adler (Sochi)..
I myself live in Rostov-on-Don near Azov Sea and there are no trees.. only the steppe..

Originally Posted by gap

Could you provide me with scientific names, or at least with more specific common names?

Of course I can.. maybe tomorrow..

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by gap

Let's push that lazy Trevally into bringing U-boatwaffe further on the Eastern front!

[Targor Avelany]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Don't believe you! You killing alliens!

I actually finally picked up Mass Effect and taking couple of days off from looking through 7b uboat and trying to clone it (my brain has been overrun with hex/binary and node information for the past 2 weeks)...

[gap]

Originally Posted by volodya61

I said about - Crimean Submediterranean forest complex

I was suspecting it had to be some sort of mediterranean vegetation: many of your trees, especially almonds and olive trees, remember me of my home place

Originally Posted by volodya61

I described the vegetation of the region #4 on the picture above..
It's not only the Southern Ukraine ecoregion .. it's also the Southern Russia ecoregion from Novorossiysk to Adler (Sochi).

Yes, you are right, I had overlooked that lime green stripe on the bottom right of the map

Originally Posted by volodya61

I myself live in Rostov-on-Don near Azov Sea and there are no trees.. only the steppe..

Absolutely no trees? Neither in the vicinity of the coast?

Originally Posted by volodya61

Of course I can.. maybe tomorrow..

Take your time

By the way, I've found the following species:

Pine: Pitsundian Pine (Pinus brutia)
Cypress: Mediterranean Cypress (Cupressus sempervirens) [?]
Acacia: Persian Silk Tree (Albizia julibrissin)
Beech: Crimean Beech (Fagus taurica), Oriental Beech (Fagus orientalis)
Oak: Downy Oak (Quercus pubescens), Sessile Oak (Quercus petraea)
Magnolia: no idea
Almond, Olive: no need for further specifications here

Are these okay, considering that we are especially interested in trees wich are common at the sea level?

P.S: a few more typical trees of the Crimean Submediterranean forest can be found on wikipedia and more especifically on the vegetation of Crimean Peninsula, at this page.

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Originally Posted by Targor Avelany

Don't believe you! You killing alliens!

I actually finally picked up Mass Effect and taking couple of days off from looking through 7b uboat and trying to clone it (my brain has been overrun with hex/binary and node information for the past 2 weeks)...

If we had to rely just on Trevally, our poor universe would be lost...

please Targor, save us!

[GT182]

V, I bet it's a gorgeous view out your back door. I sure miss being in the country... city life sucks.

Yes, I am a country boy. City living is not my style.

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

Absolutely no trees? Neither in the vicinity of the coast?

Not quiet .. there are almost no trees..

Originally Posted by gap

By the way, I've found the following species:

Pine: Pitsundian Pine (Pinus brutia)
Cypress: Mediterranean Cypress (Cupressus sempervirens) [?]
Acacia: Persian Silk Tree (Albizia julibrissin)
Beech: Crimean Beech (Fagus taurica), Oriental Beech (Fagus orientalis)
Oak: Downy Oak (Quercus pubescens), Sessile Oak (Quercus petraea)
Magnolia: no idea
Almond, Olive: no need for further specifications here

Are these okay, considering that we are especially interested in trees wich are common at the sea level?

Everything OK
Only small refinements..

Azov Sea

Reed/Cane (Scírpus)/(Phrágmites)
Poplar (Populus alba, Populus deltoides)
Willow (Salix alba, Sálix fragílis, Sálix cáprea)

Black Sea (South Crimea and Russian coast of the Caucasus)

Pine (Pinus nigra, Pinus brutia)
Hornbeam (Cárpinus bétulus)
Beech (Fagus orientalis, Fagus taurica)
Cypress (Cupressus sempervirens)
Chestnut (Castánea satíva)
Acacia (Robínia pseudoacácia)
Oak (Quércus pétraea)
Walnut (Júglans régia)
Magnolia (Magnolia denudata)

Hope it will help a bit..

[gap]

Originally Posted by volodya61

Not quiet .. there are almost no trees..

Azov Sea

Reed/Cane (Scírpus)/(Phrágmites)
Poplar (Populus alba, Populus deltoides)
Willow (Salix alba, Sálix fragílis, Sálix cáprea)

After all it seems that your steppe is not so barren!
Anyway I will privilege small vegetation over trees

Originally Posted by volodya61

Black Sea (South Crimea and Russian coast of the Caucasus)

Pine (Pinus nigra, Pinus brutia)
Hornbeam (Cárpinus bétulus)
Beech (Fagus orientalis, Fagus taurica)
Cypress (Cupressus sempervirens)
Chestnut (Castánea satíva)
Acacia (Robínia pseudoacácia)
Oak (Quércus pétraea)
Walnut (Júglans régia)
Magnolia (Magnolia denudata)

Hope it will help a bit..

Excellent!

I see you have replaced olive and almond trees with chestnut and walnut. Good choice! They are two other classic mediterranean trees, but sensibly bigger than the ones you had previously picked!

P.S: do you have any good suggestion about the Caucasus mixed forests?

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

After all it seems that your steppe is not so barren!
Anyway I will privilege small vegetation over trees

Yep.. somewhere..

Originally Posted by gap

I see you have replaced olive and almond trees with chestnut and walnut. Good choice! They are two other classic mediterranean trees, but sensibly bigger than the ones you had previously picked!

I've decided that chestnut and walnut trees are represented more than olive and almond trees..

Originally Posted by gap

P.S: do you have any good suggestion about the Caucasus mixed forests?

I think, it's quite enough..

[gap]

Originally Posted by volodya61

I think, it's quite enough..

Okay, thank you again and stay tuned!

[volodya61]

And Magnolia trees are not so prevalent too.. forgot to remove it.. it grows only in the area near the Sochi and Adler..

[Captain America]

Originally Posted by gap

Hi stoianm DynEnv 2.1 SkyColor Hotfix doesn't incorporate our murky waters around the coasts yet... I was too lazy to follow the example by Captain America, who merged darker nights into the fix. We need a new volunteer for thi task

I'll take a stab at it...what parameters handle the "murky waters around coast" effect? If you can tell me all of them, I'll get to merging.

[Silent Steel]

Originally Posted by Captain America

I'll take a stab at it...

That's the spirit?