Three Israelis killed by Gaza rocket as violence escalates

[Red Brow]

I am pro Israel but I feel like their enemies have managed to get Israel riding off in the wrong direction. Those little rockets aren't the rockets Israel should be worrying about. And as for important targets, I believe Iran is in the other direction (more or less). I believe Israel's left flank (when dealing with Iran) is Syria. Not that Syria will do much militarily - but it is the big fat listening post for Iran that will possibly (possibly mind you) alert Iran if a BF-Flight of Israeli jets heads out toward Iran. Israeli tanks grinding up little Palestinian kids in ground rubble isn't going to help Israel's case for Iran with the world at large - who always worry about innocent civilians. As for Egypt, when it decides to place Tanks on Gaza's boarder, then and only then will I take note about it.

[Gerald]

^Nice one,Penguin

[Gerald]

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Red Brow

I am pro Israel but I feel like their enemies have managed to get Israel riding off in the wrong direction. Those little rockets aren't the rockets Israel should be worrying about. And as for important targets, I believe Iran is in the other direction (more or less). I believe Israel's left flank (when dealing with Iran) is Syria. Not that Syria will do much militarily - but it is the big fat listening post for Iran that will possibly (possibly mind you) alert Iran if a BF-Flight of Israeli jets heads out toward Iran. Israeli tanks grinding up little Palestinian kids in ground rubble isn't going to help Israel's case for Iran with the world at large - who always worry about innocent civilians. As for Egypt, when it decides to place Tanks on Gaza's boarder, then and only then will I take note about it.

"little rockets"...? Obviously you have never been targetted by one. Nor have you ever lived in any of the villages and towns that get constantly shelled by these little rockets. You're under a shower, the alarm goes off, you have 15 seconds to get into the safe room. You go to bed, you do not know if you will sleep until the morning, or will be alarmed out of bed and have 15 seconds to get into your safe room. You walk to the baker, spend times with kids in your garden, and have 15 seconds to get into a safe room if there is alarm.

In some places they have multiple such alarms per day. Towns like Ashkelot and Sderot, Kibuzzim along the border. There they count not how many days til the next rocket falls. They count how many rockets per day.

Since years. Day and night.

Nice life, eh? Bunkers all around in public places. Concrete tubes on playgrounds. 4 year olds already learning to run when they hear that siren'S sound in the air.

The open flank of Israel is not just Gaza, more dangerous is Lebanon and Hezbollah. Both Hamas and Hezbollah get armed up and trained by Iran. Heavy callibre weapons. Bombs, shells, mortars, missiles. Hezbollah does not depend one little rockets anymore. Then there is Egyptr, much more worrying than Syria which is busy with itself. And underhanded Europe.

Israel has no other choice than to defend itself. But I also think that strategically Israel was founded in such an exposed position that it cannot hold its ground forever. And with the military bound in a war against Iran, maybe Hezbollah and Egypt as well, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians storming into Israel and causing civil unrest, riots and chasing the police through the streets mean the very real danger of Israel being pushed to collapse from within. That'S why Israel at no cost accepts any treaty granting free right to move into Israel for Palestinian Arabs.

We have seen in the socalled Arab Spring where civil unrest can lead to. And Israel is a small place with limited security force pool only. Not only has the Arab Spring brought fundamentalists to power in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia - strategically these revolutions were a nightmare for Israel. It can no longer trust in a stable peace with Egypt.

Here is a pic I stumbled over today, Hama'S setup in an area in Northern Gaza. The secret ammo stockpiles and command posts of course are not included, the pic most likely only marks what can be seen from the air.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../hamasmap.jpeg

And this on the almost 9000 rocket attacks from Gaza in the years 2001-2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti...acks_on_Israel

Add to this the increasing terror attacks Israel faces from the Sinai since Mubarak is gone. The Sinai is no longer under the Egyptian government control, whatever that would mean in difference anyway, but it is a buildup area for terrorism and smugglers now.

[geetrue]

This could be the situation the Lord spoke to me about three years ago.

I posted it on here back in May:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ighlight=Hamas

"Hamas is going to do something so terrible to Israel that it will shock the world ... "

Not sure that this is what he was talking about, because to shock the world is a very difficult thing to do. Perhaps Hamas has shoulder fired missiles to take down an airliner. Plenty of them left over from other wars south of them.

I have the same God as Israel the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob with faith in his son Jesus.

My prayers are with them ... he is a big God and he will not be defeated.

[Gerald]

^Interesting images,Sky!

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Obviously you have never been targetted by one.

Have you, Skybird? Or are you also going by what you have read in magazines?

Let's fight clean, no?

[Skybird]

And there is another dimension to all this. The Israeli reaction to the recent upstepping of rockets raining down on its border areas with Hamas country seems to have set Israel on rails towards a major collision with Hamas that Israel cannot afford to end by just a seize-fire and without a decisive victory scored. Because natyhing else than a decisive and hurtig defeat, if possible: the destruction of Hamas, would be seen as a big success for Hamas, and a defeat for Israel. Wipin gout Hamas as a factor to be taken into account however would releive IOsrael'S sore flank in any possible furutre confrotnation with Iran.

One is wondering therefore if it is really just random chance that before Israel reacted to the upstepping of Hamas rocket attacks it had just undergone the biggest manouver of shared forces with the United States in its history.

The argument that is mentioned time and again in German quality media that Netanjahu is just eyeing to increase his election chances, imo is the most stupid thing one could come up with currently. He did not tell the Iranians to go for the bomb, nor did he tell Hamas to increase their usual rocket terror in the final weeks before election day.

[Gerald]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20365074

Note: Update record 16 November 2012 Last updated at 17:30 GMT

[Red Brow]

Go Israel

More succinct

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Red Brow

who cares about little rockets.

The people who get hit by them?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Red Brow

who cares about little rockets. Here in the USA we are pounded by tornadoes on a large scale. I have yet to see damage in Israel anywhere near the USA damage by hurricanes and tornadoes. What Israel needs to be doing is getting the Iranian nuclear development FLATTENED. When I say I am pro-Israel I mean I don't care about Palestinian collaterals. I care about Israel's biggest trouble - not the side shows. I am a Zionist and an avowed Globalist. If Israelis thinks that the little rocket-warheads are a trouble they need to pay more attention to Iran.

Truly in my opinion - at least since 1989 - Israel has been too careful by trying to slowly pull off the surgical tape from the wound by one increment at a time. I was always a great believer that Israel should have just used a flamethrower to remove surgical tape. RIP it off! Let the world scream and run around biting its rear end collective conscience. Gaza isn't worth calling any kind of FLANK. Neither is Egypt. Let Egypt stack some tanks near Gaza and after Israeli jets light them up, I will bring the wieners, and marshmallows.

You overestimate Israel'S strategic power. Mind you, it has NO friend world-wide - including Germany and the US - , it is limited in availability of resources, its vulnerability is growing, and the outlook is grim. Possible that Israel would not fall without using its nuke to drag down all the world alongsaide with it. And still - they know that they have no freinds they could trust, but many Arab and European nations who would like to stab it from behind and the latter crying crocodiles tears in sentimental TV-effective demonstrations.

There is a saying in German, translated it means: plenty of dogs are every rabbit's death.

[Oberon]

There's a fourth factor that we're overlooking here.

While Israel is stuck fighting house by house in Gaza, it's not conducting a full scale offensive against Irans nuclear power stations, and since there will be plenty of dead Palestinians to go around, and fewer dead Israelis (since their Iron Dome seems to be doing a reasonable job of knocking down these missiles) then world opinion will sway aganst Israel, Egypt will cause problems with the border, and Iran will clap its hands in glee since the only force left that could knock out its nuclear program is the US, and the US won't act because of world opinion.

[Red Brow]

I sometimes fear Ahmadinejad is correct - that Israel is not long for the world. It used to always remain one step ahead of its enemies. But since the 1st Gulf War Israel has slipped. Ever since Yitzhak Shamir's great mistake Israel has been one step behind.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...250372,00.html

Then came Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's loss of the Lebanon war - though it was claimed as a success - which it wasn't.

But before that I really thought Israel would take out Iran's nuclear program 10 years ago. It didn't. Everything since Yitzhak Shamir Israel has been behind and a day late. And more recently Netanyahu's cartoon "Bibi bomb". And now another cartoon response to Gaza. It reminds me of Jurassic Park where the T-Rex couldn't reach the two children, so in frustration the T-Rex starts biting the vehicle's tires. Gaza is just one of the tires.

[Armistead]

This is escalating that was expected. Israel will attack Iran, so they need to go ahead and secure Gaza so that will be dealt with beforehand.