Texas leaving!?! - Page 2

Catfish · 11-15-12, 05:29 AM

If Texas leaves, maybe they form a union with .. Mexico ?

Onkel Neal · 11-15-12, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Good luck with that one. I'd love to see how fast things decline without federal revenue in these states, and then how fast they want to rejoin.

Actually, giving up federal revenues would be part of the plan, and perfectly fine. See, that's how we get the people who life on the dole to come visit you.

(permanently)

I don't see why the idea of a state leaving the Union is viewed with horror and hatred. What about the right of self-determination we're all so found of in the US?

Penguin · 11-15-12, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

What would Texas really gain by this?

(Spoiler warning for those who haven't seen the end of the show Jericho yet)

Oberon · 11-15-12, 06:55 AM

The thing that I think gets to me the most is that you have a country, the United States of America, that has done so much with itself as a nation united under a common cause, the freedom and liberty of man. People complain about the gap between the rich and the poor, or about government intervention, or a welfare state, but honestly America has never had it so good. If you were to go back, three hundred, two hundred, even a hundred years ago, or back to the 1930s, the average person of America could only dream about the sort of things that the average American has now, welfare state or not. So many people have sacrificed their lives for a nation built up of differing ideas, of differing identities, that the idea of tearing that all down just because people don't like who won the election or their ideas for the future of the nation, it boggles my mind.
America has done so much because it's United, the only thing it managed to achieve whilst not united was to get 3% of its population killed.

Oberon · 11-15-12, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

(Spoiler warning for those who haven't seen the end of the show Jericho yet)

I loved that show.

Robert Hawkins ftw!

Karle94 · 11-15-12, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

So wait, please explain to a dumb foreigner: suppose this succeeds. Texas is no more part of the United States? It becomes a what? An independent nation of Texas? And the international community is going recognize it just like that?

Maybe they´ll go back to Mexico.

Penguin · 11-15-12, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I loved that show.

Robert Hawkins ftw!

As you're a man of taste a warning: do NOT watch "Revolution". I was bitterly disppointed, the show has a similar theme, however it was brutally mainstreamized.

- I'm not even touching things like logic, characters or acting talent....

Oberon · 11-15-12, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

As you're a man of taste a warning: do NOT watch "Revolution". I was bitterly disppointed, the show has a similar theme, however it was brutally mainstreamized.

- I'm not even touching things like logic, characters or acting talent....

Daaaamn, I was hoping that would be good.

The topic is good, a shame they had to break it.
You seen Falling Skies?

Red October1984 · 11-15-12, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

The thing that I think gets to me the most is that you have a country, the United States of America, that has done so much with itself as a nation united under a common cause, the freedom and liberty of man. People complain about the gap between the rich and the poor, or about government intervention, or a welfare state, but honestly America has never had it so good. If you were to go back, three hundred, two hundred, even a hundred years ago, or back to the 1930s, the average person of America could only dream about the sort of things that the average American has now, welfare state or not. So many people have sacrificed their lives for a nation built up of differing ideas, of differing identities, that the idea of tearing that all down just because people don't like who won the election or their ideas for the future of the nation, it boggles my mind.
America has done so much because it's United, the only thing it managed to achieve whilst not united was to get 3% of its population killed.

That's exactly how I see it. We're supposed to be United.

Penguin · 11-15-12, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Daaaamn, I was hoping that would be good.

The topic is good, a shame they had to break it.
You seen Falling Skies?

Falling Skies had definitely its flaws but is waaay better than Revolution - you can compare the latter with the trainwreck that Terra Nova was. Really, it takes much effort to make crap when you have a cool topic. The problem is the effort to make it appeal to anyone. A least common denominator may result in a big audience, but I can't see how the writers can be happy, when everyone says 'meh' and nobody says 'yeah!'.

Oberon · 11-15-12, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Falling Skies had definitely its flaws but is waaay better than Revolution - you can compare the latter with the trainwreck that Terra Nova was. Really, it takes much effort to make crap when you have a cool topic. The problem is the effort to make it appeal to anyone. A least common denominator may result in a big audience, but I can't see how the writers can be happy, when everyone says 'meh' and nobody says 'yeah!'.

Yeah, Terra Nova had its moments, Stephen Lang was awesome, but then again he's good in most roles he's in.

I found Terra Nova to be watchable, so I might just be able to get away with Revolution if I turn certain parts of my brain off.

mookiemookie · 11-15-12, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Actually, giving up federal revenues would be part of the plan, and perfectly fine. See, that's how we get the people who life on the dole to come visit you.

(permanently)

Well just because Texas raises more than it receives in federal funds doesn't mean the loss of those funds could easily be replaced in the event of a secession.

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I don't see why the idea of a state leaving the Union is viewed with horror and hatred. What about the right of self-determination we're all so found of in the US?

I absolutely view it with horror and hatred. One nation, indivisible. We're Texans but we're also Americans. That's not something I hold cheaply.

11-15-12, 08:18 AM

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Well just because Texas raises more than it receives in federal funds doesn't mean the loss of those funds could easily be replaced in the event of a secession.

How much would independence destroy the texas role in the US import markets and domestic shipping

GoldenRivet · 11-15-12, 09:35 AM

my thought process:

trillions in federal debt, the budget deficit widening constantly, the march into the abyss of a welfare state ongoing without an end in sight.

things just keep getting better and better for the USA

even a rat knows when to leave a sinking ship

but as the story points out: the petitions only have enough signatures to warrant review and response from the white house. It means little more than the white house will have to publicly acknowledge and respond.

GoldenRivet · 11-15-12, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Karle94

Maybe they´ll go back to Mexico.

not alive we wont

But considering the federal government has already abandoned us to what local illegals and spanish speaking radio openly calls "La Invasora" - we're pretty much already part of Mexico

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	my thought process: trillions in federal debt, the budget deficit widening constantly, the march into the abyss of a welfare state ongoing without an end in sight. things just keep getting better and better for the USA even a rat knows when to leave a sinking ship but as the story points out: the petitions only have enough signatures to warrant review and response from the white house. It means little more than the white house will have to publicly acknowledge and respond. __________________

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The thing that I think gets to me the most is that you have a country, the United States of America, that has done so much with itself as a nation united under a common cause, the freedom and liberty of man. People complain about the gap between the rich and the poor, or about government intervention, or a welfare state, but honestly America has never had it so good. If you were to go back, three hundred, two hundred, even a hundred years ago, or back to the 1930s, the average person of America could only dream about the sort of things that the average American has now, welfare state or not. So many people have sacrificed their lives for a nation built up of differing ideas, of differing identities, that the idea of tearing that all down just because people don't like who won the election or their ideas for the future of the nation, it boggles my mind. America has done so much because it's United, the only thing it managed to achieve whilst not united was to get 3% of its population killed.