Obama has not been re-elected President of the United States - Page 2

mookiemookie · 11-09-12, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by yubba

Like someone in here has already said, the people have spoken,,live with it..
yes the people have spoken.

You realize that the TracFone program was started under George W. Bush? And the Lifeline program to provide discounts on phone service to the poor was instituted under Reagan?

http://web.archive.org/web/200808160...34/detail.html

11-09-12, 11:10 AM

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You realize that the TracFone program was started under George W. Bush? And the Lifeline program to provide discounts on phone service to the poor was instituted under Reagan?

But that is facts

Takeda Shingen · 11-09-12, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You realize that the TracFone program was started under George W. Bush? And the Lifeline program to provide discounts on phone service to the poor was instituted under Reagan?

http://web.archive.org/web/200808160...34/detail.html

Stop clouding this thread with your facts.

AVGWarhawk · 11-09-12, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You realize that the TracFone program was started under George W. Bush? And the Lifeline program to provide discounts on phone service to the poor was instituted under Reagan?

http://web.archive.org/web/200808160...34/detail.html

It's all Bush's fault. We know this because it has been said for the better part of the past 4 years. It must be true!

Takeda Shingen · 11-09-12, 11:39 AM

In the case of TracFone, yes it is Bush's fault.

AVGWarhawk · 11-09-12, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

In the case of TracFone, yes it is Bush's fault.

As well as global warming. Um, is a Tracfone a fault? It is a program that helps those in need. I'm certain the program is abused. What program offered by the gov't is not abused? Anyway, by that logic Bush's assistance with AID's in Africa must be one huge screw up on his part. What was he thinking?

Takeda Shingen · 11-09-12, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

As well as global warming. Um, is a Tracfone a fault? It is a program that helps those in need. I'm certain the program is abused. What program offered by the gov't is not abused? Anyway, by that logic Bush's assistance with AID's in Africa must be one huge screw up on his part. What was he thinking?

Then why the gripe over it? Why are we even talking about it? Sheesh. Everything's a big freaking deal until someone points out that said big freaking deal was started by a Republican and then it's not a big freaking deal anymore. Color me exasperated.

AVGWarhawk · 11-09-12, 11:54 AM

Who's griping? Yubba? Seems like a normal day.

Takeda Shingen · 11-09-12, 11:56 AM

I'm thinking it's more...

AVGWarhawk · 11-09-12, 11:57 AM

Oh, the visuals....

August · 11-09-12, 12:08 PM

Oberon · 11-09-12, 01:08 PM

Platapus · 11-09-12, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

Oh Crap!! It's too late now Baby!!

OOps.

I almost updated all the years when I copy/pasted my post from last election.

Rats.

Platapus · 11-09-12, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Ridiculous and unnecessary amount of complexity and red tape if you ask me.

It may seem unnecessary now, but in the early days, the simple act of polling people took a lot longer time.

Almost interesting trivia.

There have been over 700 proposed amendments to the constitution to either significantly change or abolish the Electoral College. More proposed amendments on this topic than any other topic.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-regi...llege/faq.html

Personally, I think the solution is to fix the electoral college, not abolish it. One way I would like to fix it is to make all the states use proportional elector selection methodologies in order to more closely represent the votes of the citizens.

But both major political parties like the Electoral College just the way it is, so don't expect help from Congress.

There is a second way to propose an amendment, but it has never been used.

2/3rds of the legislators of the states (34 States) can form a convention to propose an amendment. Then if 3/4ths of the states (38 states) ratify it, then it becomes an amendment to the constitution.

What are the chances of 34 states getting together and forming a convention about this?

BTW, Although it is trendy to blame the president for *everything* that happens in the US, the president has no say in proposing or approving amendments to the constitution. There is no presidential veto for constitutional amendments.

Hollingsworth v Virginia (3 US 378 [1798]):

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The negative of the President applies only to the ordinary cases of legislation: He has nothing to do with the proposition, or adoption, of amendments to the Constitution.

11-09-12, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

OOps.

I almost updated all the years when I copy/pasted my post from last election.

Rats.

I knew it was a mistake but wanted to beat Steve to the punch.

Great post for those that didn't know all that stuff anyway Mate.
Most people can't tell you what they were supposed to learn in Govt class in high school!
(I had to re-learn all that stuff when I hit the REAL WORLD!)
Smoked alot of, umm, cigars! Yea that's it! Back then,

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,226 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	__________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	In the case of TracFone, yes it is Bush's fault.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,291 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Who's griping? Yubba? Seems like a normal day.

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I'm thinking it's more...

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,291 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Oh, the visuals....

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