Open carry in Oklahoma

"Militia" meant every adult citizen capable of bearing arms.

Only white free adults, they don't want no negros with guns like, well not until 1862 after when militias had gone bad

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MH

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Sorry for being picky but how many people do actually buy guns because they need to protect themselves and not because they want this cool object in their possession?

Why should that matter? If someone wants a cool object in his possession, that's his business.

Common peaple buy AK 47s.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Fully automatic weapons are regulated, and you have to pay some good money for a special license to own one.

Do you have to prove that your line of work or place you living in require gun for protection for geting permit?

Nope.

In USA guns are very much cultural thing.

So are cars. By the way, a lot more people are killed by cars than by guns.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Why should that matter? If someone wants a cool object in his possession, that's his business.





So are cars. By the way, a lot more people are killed by cars than by guns.

Cant argue with that...just hate when gun fans talk about self defence as primary reason for getting guns.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Fully automatic weapons are regulated, and you have to pay some good money for a special license to own one.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by MH

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Sorry for being picky but how many people do actually buy guns because they need to protect themselves and not because they want this cool object in their possession?
Common peaple buy AK 47s.
Do you have to prove that your line of work or place you living in require gun for protection for geting permit?
But yeah freedom can be vewed the way you describe it for the good and the bad that comes with it.
In USA guns are very much cultural thing.

The majority of people buy guns for protection and hunting. In the USA, we have too many criminals and nutjobs that like to go around mass shooting. Last year, I was across the street at a gas mart, when someone went on a shooting rampage at the store across the street. The guy shooting was a previous employee pissed off about getting fired. He shot one man pumping gas, two people inside the store and shot the owner point blank in the face with a shotgun. He then blew his head off. I could've easily pulled in there instead of the other store, so I started carrying concealed again for awhile.

You have to get a license for a handgun in my state, but only a permit to conceal carry. You can open carry any legal gun, shotgun, AK's, etc...However, anyone can buy a pistol, ect., on the street. People buy and trade firearms all the time under the table.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MH

Cant argue with that...just hate when gun fans talk about self defence as primary reason for getting guns.

Fair point. Some do, some don't. A good friend of mine was a collector, but except for a couple of home-defense weapons none of his guns were less than one hundred years old.

[CaptainHaplo]

If you outlaw guns - only outlaws will have them.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

If you outlaw guns - only outlaws will have them.

Same with speeding.
And cocaine.
And murder.
And jaywalking.

[Buddahaid]

Does that mean if you inlaw guns, only inlaws will have them?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

This is another bull myth that assault rifle is not assault rifle because it is not a machine gun therefore it is less lethal than assault rifle.
It is just cleaver work around the laws.....
Put it simply in the perspective....US citizen has right to own military high power assault rifle.

You can view it as constitutional freedom or whatever but don't say that it is something else......just innocent semi auto gun for home defence. or whatever.
It is a gun for gun nuts mostly...unless you live in relay really nasty place.

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

It is a gun for gun nuts mostly...unless you live in relay really nasty place.

Don't generalize like that. There are 300 million of us. Some buy them for target practice, others for defense and still others for just about any lawful reason you could think of.

I bought mine for all of those reasons.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

It's ok, just to be safe, I've hired a bodyguard!

I can see the want add for that bodyguard:

Bodyguard wanted must be female
please send resume listing work experience and training
please also include a photo of yourself and body measurements
...for fitting of body armor. EEOE/FO

[Platapus]

When seconds count
The police are only minutes a way.

The police are there to enforce the law after the crime has been committed. The police are not there to protect people or to prevent crimes from being committed.

As soon as the police can guarantee that they will be there to prevent crimes from being committed, then I will start to believe that responsible citizens no longer need to keep weapons for self defense.

If you outlaw guns - only outlaws will have them.

Meaningless parrot fodder

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Platapus

The police are there to enforce the law after the crime has been committed. The police are not there to protect people or to prevent crimes from being committed.

What about "to serve and protect" - or is this only valid in LA?
Policework is also pre-emptive, they don't have to wait till a crime is committed to take action.

Actually I'm only nitpicking, since I agree with your last sentence:

Originally Posted by Platapus

As soon as the police can guarantee that they will be there to prevent crimes from being committed, then I will start to believe that responsible citizens no longer need to keep weapons for self defense.

Though the discussion went on a tangent, from the issue about open carry, over concealed carry, over the right to own guns and now we arrived at weapon ownership on principle.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MH

This is another bull myth that assault rifle is not assault rifle because it is not a machine gun therefore it is less lethal than assault rifle.

By that token my ought-three Springfield bolt-action rifle is an assault rifle, since that was what it was designed for all those years ago. For that matter so is my friend's 1865 muzzle-loader. Whether it's "bull" or not is your opinion, so please don't state it as a fact you know and everyone else denies.

By definition an Assault Rifle is capable of fully automatic fire. Your calling it "bull" doesn't make it so.

Put it simply in the perspective....US citizen has right to own military high power assault rifle.

Arguably that is correct. The American revolutionary war started when the local Colonial governor sent troops to confiscate a citizen-owned armory full of cannons. During the war of 1812 the government hired privately owned warships to prey on British shipping. The government looked to citizens who were as well armed as any army or navy.

You can view it as constitutional freedom or whatever but don't say that it is something else......just innocent semi auto gun for home defence. or whatever.

Who exactly is saying that? Fully automatic weapons are indeed illegal. Semi-autos are not. Some people want to ban them as "assault rifles", mainly because they look like their fully automatic counterparts.

It is a gun for gun nuts mostly...unless you live in relay really nasty place.

I could just as easily call your argument "bull", since it seems that you hate guns in general and are looking for an excuse to push that opinion. Since you won't get much attention by going that far, you limit yourself to jumping on one case you think people will listen to. Your argument then becomes no more valid than the one you are challenging.