Open carry in Oklahoma

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Really? I don't see too much open carry where I live, even though it's legal, but we have a lot of concealed carry. You say it's probable, yet, to my knowledge, it's never happened. Not once. Can you point to any of that happening? If not, then while it's certainly possible, it's not probable at all.

Well heres three articals from the local news in the state I'm currently living in since we seem to go by where one is living. http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/lo...g-outside-bar/ http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2012/j.../tbo.ly/Ny6A7i
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...t-bar-shooting

Have you applied for a license? If not, how do you know what the requirements are? In fact you do have to pass a course given by a certified instructor.

No I havn't applied for a license since Florida is not an open carry state.

Also from NewsOK.com

Q. How does a person gain a permit to carry a firearm in Oklahoma?
Any established resident who is a U.S. citizen, at least 21 years old and who has completed a firearms safety and training course can apply for a permit through the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation.
The bureau will review the application, conduct criminal and mental health background checks, and will approve or deny the permit within 60 days if no prohibitive records are revealed.

Read more: http://newsok.com/everything-you-nee...#ixzz2BIfpf4f9

Now going off of this and similar articals one can make the assuption that it is basic firearms safety and training.

Trained by a cop? Do you have any idea how many cops (and ex-military) have no idea what they're doing? I'm not speaking of all of either of those categories, but you would be amazed how many there are. Just because you had some training at one point doesn't mean you are any more quailified than someone who spends the time and money to qualify himself.

Yeah I do realize how many cops and ex-military persons have no idea what they're doing. Examples of that where the shootings in NYC (theres a thead about it here somewhere), the shooting of a disabled man in a wheelchair cause the cops though he had a knife when it was in fact a pen (souce http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/tex...ing/index.html), and from the state where I used to live, a cop shot a Native American wood carver because he was walking down a Seattle street with a knife that he was using to make a some carving. (source http://www.komonews.com/news/local/112097619.html) Quick Edit:

LAKEWOOD, Wash. - Four uniformed police officers were shot and killed in a bloody Sunday morning attack at a Lakewood-area coffee shop, and investigators are seeking a person of interest in the killings, officials said.

Pierce County Sheriff's Office spokesman Ed Troyer said the person they are seeking is Maurice Clemmons, who is a fugitive from Arkansas with a lengthy criminal record. Investigators now believe the gunman also may have been shot during the cold-blooded assault, as one of the officers returned fire just before he died of his injuries.

If four armed cops can be killed by one person with a gun whos to say it would of turned out differently if it was four armed civilans? (source: http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78088192.html)
@Platapus
In responce to the first quote of my previous post, thats good. In responce to the second part of my previous post, I would agree that if someone is carrying that it should be zero tolerance for the consuption of alcohol, as for carrying into a restaurant and ordering food I don't have a problem with that.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

Well heres three articals from the local news in the state I'm currently living in since we seem to go by where one is living.

You're right. I apologize.

No I havn't applied for a license since Florida is not an open carry state.

There's no such thing as an "open-carry" permit. You get a permit to carry. My point was, do you know what the requirement is?

Also from NewsOK.com Now going off of this and similar articals one can make the assuption that it is basic firearms safety and training.

I believe that one can never assume anything. Here my point was that most people who feel the need to carry get their own training.

Quick Edit: If four armed cops can be killed by one person with a gun whos to say it would of turned out differently if it was four armed civilans?

Anybody can be killed by anybody. A gun isn't a guarantee, but it's better to have one than not.

On the other hand, I don't carry one with me. In such a situation I'm more likely to be a victim.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

There's no such thing as an "open-carry" permit. You get a permit to carry. My point was, do you know what the requirement is?

A licence and a permit are two different things but a quite similar. Orginally you asked if I had applyed for a licence not a permit. Its like I could have a drivers permit which means that I passed the driving tests but its not exactly like having a drivers licence. Right? As for me knowing what the requirements are, no I do not but are probably similar to the requirements to get concealed firearms licence and/or permit in Oklahoma.

I believe that one can never assume anything. Here my point was that most people who feel the need to carry get their own training.

Point taken.

Anybody can be killed by anybody. A gun isn't a guarantee, but it's better to have one than not.

A gun is never a guarantee, its the person who has the gun and knows how to use it that is.

On the other hand, I don't carry one with me. In such a situation I'm more likely to be a victim.

Never underestimate yourself, its always depends on the situation.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

A licence and a permit are two different things but a quite similar. Orginally you asked if I had applyed for a licence not a permit. Its like I could have a drivers permit which means that I passed the driving tests but its not exactly like having a drivers licence. Right?

I probably misspoke when I said "license". In this case they are the same. The terminology may change from place to place but as far as I know any any single place there is only one.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Armistead

The bigger question is, if you get jumped by bad guys, would you rather or not have a firearm to protect yourself?

I know, but it's kinda like carrying a parachute everywhere I go just in case I fall out of a plane.

[August]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I know, but it's kinda like carrying a parachute everywhere I go just in case I fall out of a plane.

I think your analogy only really works if you're talking about wearing a parachute while you are in a flying plane. In that situation wearing one might not be considered a bad idea. After all this a license for carrying in public only, not everywhere you might go.

[Onkel Neal]

No, I think as often as I encounter crime that requires a firearm for my safety, it applies fine. Heck, who knows, I may nod off on the couch and be kidnapped, and wake up on a plane to Argentina. Then I will be GLAD! I have my chute, eh?

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

No, I think as often as I encounter crime that requires a firearm for my safety, it applies fine. Heck, who knows, I may nod off on the couch and be kidnapped, and wake up on a plane to Argentina. Then I will be GLAD! I have my chute, eh?

Like the Boy Scouts say "Always Be Prepared" which of course they stole from the Coast Guard "Semper Paratus" or "Always Ready". Of course if you had dozed off on the couch I reckon that you are not following either motto

I suppose a good story in relation to open carry wouldbe that fat soccer mom who became a star feature of gun nut weekly over her insistance that she had to be openly armed at all times, even at her kids soccer matches.
She ended up getting her head blown off while sitting at the computer in her own home.
It pays to be prepared at all times.

[Catfish]

^ She should have been carrying a pistol at least, at home in front of her computer, and look around her every 5 seconds.

I wonder why you afford a government, militia and police ?

Yes i know, the coming Zombie apocalypse, your neighbour might be a serial killer, or you got to fight the mafia, the government and the miltary, alone, at some point of your life. Certainly paranoia does not mean they are not following and trying to kill you 24 hours a day.

I can imagine how people feel so much safer, like women pushing their baby buggy around, with all people around being armed including the women themselves. What a nice idea in a civilian society

It is strange, i never connected the term, or the very idea of freedom, with carrying firearms. For me this carrying is connected to military, police, criminals and (if carried as a civilian) ahem - milquetoasts.

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

It is strange, i never connected the term, or the very idea of freedom, with carrying firearms. For me this carrying is connected to military, police, criminals and (if carried as a civilian) ahem - milquetoasts.

Our system has worked for us for over 200 years. How long has your system worked for you?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I wonder why you afford a government, militia and police ?

Government is there to do things collectively we can't do as individuals. That's it.

By "militia" did you actually mean armed forces? "Militia" means a group of armed citizens, which is the opposite of what you seem to want. Armed forces, on the other hand, are there to defend the state or country as a whole.

Police are ostensibly there to protect us, but unless (as was pointed out earlier) you have one policeman for each civilian acting as a bodyguard, that is impossible. Aside from the two who seem to hang out at the local grocery store I haven't seen a cop in several weeks.

It is strange, i never connected the term, or the very idea of freedom, with carrying firearms.

Freedom means exactly that - the ability to do anything you want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else's ability to do the same. While I too think open carry can be a little silly, but how many people you see on the street are criminals? You don't know. If people want to protect themselves, fine.

For me this carrying is connected to military, police, criminals and (if carried as a civilian) ahem - milquetoasts.

I used to work with an ex-cop whose favorite saying was "If guns are outlawed, only the police will have guns. Do you feel safer now?"

[MH]

Freedom means exactly that - the ability to do anything you want, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else's ability to do the same. While I too think open carry can be a little silly, but how many people you see on the street are criminals? You don't know. If people want to protect themselves, fine.

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Sorry for being picky but how many people do actually buy guns because they need to protect themselves and not because they want this cool object in their possession?
Common peaple buy AK 47s.
Do you have to prove that your line of work or place you living in require gun for protection for geting permit?
But yeah freedom can be vewed the way you describe it for the good and the bad that comes with it.
In USA guns are very much cultural thing.

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

Do you have to prove that your line of work or place you living in require gun for protection for geting permit?

2nd Amendment to the US Constitution:

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

"Well regulated" in the parlance of the time meant "competent in the use of" and "Militia" meant every adult citizen capable of bearing arms.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Like the Boy Scouts say "Always Be Prepared" which of course they stole from the Coast Guard "Semper Paratus" or "Always Ready". Of course if you had dozed off on the couch I reckon that you are not following either motto

It's ok, just to be safe, I've hired a bodyguard!