U.S. Presidential Debates & Election

[August]

Originally Posted by vienna

Kippers, anyone...

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Is that code for how you think dismissing dead Americans is ok if it protects the administrations chance at reelection?

[vienna]

Maybe it could be code for dismissing repetitious, ridiculous drivel and those who continue to spew it...

You know, just maybe...

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[August]

Originally Posted by vienna

Maybe it could be code for dismissing repetitious, ridiculous drivel and those who continue to spew it...

You know, just maybe...

<O>

I prefer my definition. More accurate I think.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

This thread is about the presidential debates and the election, not the definition of a corporation. It's fine with me if folks want to go off on a tangent but i'm not going to apologize for talking about the candidates record. Especially when I see the murder of our citizens dismissed with stupid cartoons like their lives were just an inconvenience.

Where exactly did Vienna dismiss the deaths? He was answering a specific post by Platapus, and it has nothing to do with that.

Originally Posted by August

Are you being deliberately obtuse or is it just senility creeping in?

First you make light of the deaths of 5 people dismissing them like they were easily disposable trash and now you want to play word games?

Again you harp on something that had nothing to do with what he said. Where did he say that?

Well I don't give a flying fart what has happened in the past. None of it justifies what is happening now. The fact remains that it's not republicans trying to cover up the administrations failures before and after the Libyan embassy attack and republicans aren't stonewalling the investigation into the administrations role in supplying arms to the drug cartels.

You're absolutely right! The problem is that by not caring about the past you get to make it solely one-sided politics. Did you care about the past when it happened, or is it only Obama who gets to be chastised?

Originally Posted by August

I'm not likely to forget how easily you dismiss the deaths of Americans.

Third times the charm. You need to show exactly where he did that, other than in your own accusation.

Originally Posted by August

Is that code for how you think dismissing dead Americans is ok if it protects the administrations chance at reelection?

Fourth time. You seem to want Vienna and Mookie to be playing partisan politics when that's exactly what you keep doing.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Fourth time. You seem to want Vienna and Mookie to be playing partisan politics when that's exactly what you keep doing.

I've just quit playing his little games. When someone's entire purpose seems to be to try and bait you into a cheap rhetorical trap and play word games, it's a sure sign that their argument has little of substance and it gets tiring.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You're absolutely right! The problem is that by not caring about the past you get to make it solely one-sided politics. Did you care about the past when it happened, or is it only Obama who gets to be chastised?

Sure I care Steve but what difference does it make? Am I not allowed to comment on contemporary issues without including a treatise on every similar incident that has occurred since man climbed out of the trees?

Last I checked Reagan was dead and GWB is retired to Crawford. Whatever they did doesn't have anything to do with whether the present administration is worth reelecting or not in next weeks election.

[19Herr_Rapp86]

Originally Posted by August

Hopefully Obama will loose and then we can get to the bottom of those incidents and prosecute those responsible.

August, I'm an Iraq vet. A lot of people will argue that we shouldn't have been there and that 44 (whom I happen to like and voted for) was wrong for that invasion and lied about the WMD's so he could have an excuse for ousting Saddam Hussein. Did he lie? Well, the WMD's weren't found. Ever. Draw your own conclusions for that. Personally, I think we did the right thing. I saw lots of the locals that thanked us every day for sacrificing to make their lives better. Did the Administration lie about the Benghazi attacks? I don't know. There's a lot more behind the story that we don't know about because it's classified. I want to know what happened. But let the investigation takes it's course. The 9/11 investigation took until 2004 I think? Maybe. If wrong someone please correct me. Anyways, the point being, it's politics. And as for prosecuting those responsible, Al Qaeda affiliates killed our Ambassador and 3 other brave Americans. Not Barack Obama. George Bush didn't kill 3000 Americans on September 11, 2001. Al Qaeda did. George Bush didn't kill the 8,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Last time I checked, our Armed Forces are entirely volunteer. I knew what I was getting into when I signed up. I knew it was dangerous. Iraq was going on for 2 years before I joined. I did 4 years in the Marines despite. You want to prosecute the ones responsible? We're already doing that. It's called the war on terror. It's called the drone strikes.

[Oberon]

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

Only a Democrat would consider an unresolved terrorist attack upon our embassy and the murder of four of our people as beating a dead horse.

Only a Democrat would consider a Justice department operation that gave weapons to drug cartels a closed issue

Apparently incompetence and malfeasance is ok when it's your people that do it right?

As a Democrat I take offence to that statement. I want more answers on Lybia too and I think the matter is not closed by the current administration. We had 9/11 and started a war in the wrong country people were so motivated to fight Arabs, and who cares if they aren't the right ones, their towelheads aren't they?

It appears incompetence and malfeasance are only really bad when it's the other side that's in power is perhaps a better description.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Lincoln spit hot fire. He killed it.

[August]

Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

August, I'm an Iraq vet. A lot of people will argue that we shouldn't have been there and that 44 (whom I happen to like and voted for) was wrong for that invasion and lied about the WMD's so he could have an excuse for ousting Saddam Hussein. Did he lie? Well, the WMD's weren't found. Ever. Draw your own conclusions for that. Personally, I think we did the right thing. I saw lots of the locals that thanked us every day for sacrificing to make their lives better.

Well thank you for your service to our country. Please don't read my lack of defense for GWB as meaning that I feel it's a valid comparison. y opinion is pretty much the same as yours on the subject of Iraq and Saddam but it wasn't germane to the point I was making and I didn't want to derail the subject by going down that road. Especially with the likes of them.

Did the Administration lie about the Benghazi attacks? I don't know. There's a lot more behind the story that we don't know about because it's classified. I want to know what happened. But let the investigation takes it's course.

I think an investigation would be far more easily conducted if the present administration is removed so they can't stonewall it anymore like they have been doing. Harry Truman said "The buck stops here" whereas this administration looks to pass the buck at every opportunity and will apparently say anything to avoid it.

Now maybe Obama and Holder didn't know what was going on but if so then it points to a criminal lack of competence that should definitely not be rewarded with another 4 years in power.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

As a Democrat I take offence to that statement. I want more answers on Lybia too and I think the matter is not closed by the current administration.

So then how do you feel about the concept that even mentioning it is beating a dead horse like Vienna and Mookie are claiming?

[19Herr_Rapp86]

Originally Posted by August

Now maybe Obama and Holder didn't know what was going on but if so then it points to a criminal lack of competence that should definitely not be rewarded with another 4 years in power.

By that philosophy, George W. Bush and George Tenet are guilty of criminal lack of competence for the events of 9/11. They didn't know that an attack was coming. They suspected the possibility but it wasn't for sure. Franklin Roosevelt and pretty much the entire OSS are guilty of incompetence for Pearl Harbor. Same thing. They didn't know an attack was coming. Hell, we were in peace talks with Japan. They even gave us a peace medal. Jimmy Carter is guilty for the Iran Hostage Crisis. Kennedy is guilty for the Cuban Missile Crisis and the U2 pilot that got killed over that whole deal. Ronald Reagan is guilty for the 200+ Marines that got killed in Beirut. Bill Clinton is guilty for the Somalian Humanitarian disaster, the USS Cole, the Tanzania embassy bombing, etc.

[August]

Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

By that philosophy, George W. Bush and George Tenet are guilty of criminal lack of competence for the events of 9/11. They didn't know that an attack was coming. They suspected the possibility but it wasn't for sure. Franklin Roosevelt and pretty much the entire OSS are guilty of incompetence for Pearl Harbor. Same thing. They didn't know an attack was coming. Hell, we were in peace talks with Japan. They even gave us a peace medal. Jimmy Carter is guilty for the Iran Hostage Crisis. Kennedy is guilty for the Cuban Missile Crisis and the U2 pilot that got killed over that whole deal. Ronald Reagan is guilty for the 200+ Marines that got killed in Beirut. Bill Clinton is guilty for the Somalian Humanitarian disaster, the USS Cole, the Tanzania embassy bombing, etc.

While I might argue over most of that list (for example the OSS wasn't even created until 1942 so one could hardly hold them responsible for Pearl Harbor) let's just say that I agree there is plenty of criminal incompetence to go around on both sides of the aisle.

But only one President is running for reelection though and when some forum clown tries to dismiss mention of their incompetence as just beating a dead horse I'm not going to just let it pass.

Libya was more than a no brainer gaffe. The administration deliberately put the ambassador and his party in danger by refusing their requests for additional security. I don't think that should be rewarded with another 4 years in office.

[19Herr_Rapp86]

Originally Posted by 19Herr_Rapp86

I'm decided. Romney.

Originally Posted by August

I don't think that should be rewarded with another 4 years in office.

I don't think he deserves to either. I made that point a couple of posts ago. But, I like to be educated as to why I'm voting someone in or out of office. And the Benghazi issue is beating a dead horse. It's all I've heard about since September 11th. Hurricane Sandy got 2 days of media coverage. Now it's back to Benghazi. Benghazi has had like 2 months now. I'm just as mad about it as anyone. I lose my temper when Americans die. It sucks. But screaming about it won't change the situation any. If it's upset you so bad, that's what November 6th is for. Go let your voice be heard at the ballot box. It is beating a dead horse because we don't know the whole story behind Benghazi. Troops in the area were told to stand down. Sounds retarded when an attack is taking place right?! It does! But neither you, nor me, nor anyone else in this forum was in the situation room when that was taking place. We react abruptly to something, next thing you know we're in a world war, or New York is a radioactive fireball. You don't know the whole story behind it. I wouldn't call it a gaffe just yet. Be sensible about things. No one is trampling on the graves of anyone by being sensible.