Trump's Obama Announcement

AVGWarhawk · 10-25-12, 07:58 AM

Don Trumps bid to release BO college paperwork has nothing to do with birth certs. It has to do with BO applying to college and receiving financial aid as a foreign student.

Bush's college paperwork was released without issue. Why not BO?

mookiemookie · 10-25-12, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Don Trumps bid to release BO college paperwork has nothing to do with birth certs. It has to do with BO applying to college and receiving financial aid as a foreign student.

So you're saying it has something to do with his birth certificate.

AVGWarhawk · 10-25-12, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

So you're saying it has something to do with his birth certificate.

No. I'm saying there might be some falsehoods portrayed to obtain financial aid at the college. The guy lived around the world. Went to the finest schools. He was a son of single mom and brought up later by his grandparents. The dollars do not add up.

Why sealed records?

August · 10-25-12, 09:35 AM

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Why sealed records?

Don't expect a straight answer. Democrats are quite willing to abandon principles when it comes to their icons. I see it here in blue state Massachusetts all the time.

We have a senate candidate here who lied on her job application to Harvard listing herself as a minority. If it were a Republican they'd be screaming bloody murder but since she is a Democrat she gets a pass on it and her opponent is just being partisan for bringing it up in the first place.

AVGWarhawk · 10-25-12, 09:38 AM

Although I think the Don is a bit nutty with this, there is something to sealed records for both the Obamas. Records that anyone else, like Bush, would be a open book.

Obama is receiving yet another pass. This has nothing to do with birther crap everyone jumps all over when questions arise. Obama's past is not really dreams of his father.....

Dowly · 10-25-12, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Don Trumps bid to release BO college paperwork has nothing to do with birth certs. It has to do with BO applying to college and receiving financial aid as a foreign student.

Bush's college paperwork was released without issue. Why not BO?

Not long ago, we went through this, but here goes:

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Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not
“sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would
be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act
of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any
former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without
that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them,
but neither have other presidential candidates released their college
records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but
only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush
himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the
Washington Post.

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Claim #15, foreign student aid. The claim that Obama got “foreign
student aid” is untrue. That wild falsehood began as an absurd April Fools’
Day hoax in 2009, which we quickly exposed.

From:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

AVGWarhawk · 10-25-12, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Not long ago, we went through this, but here goes:

And:

From:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

The discussion is not about court ordered sealed anything. It is about records that some would like to see. If there is nothing to hide why not let the records show there is nothing of mention and take the 5 million for a charity.

Buddahaid · 10-25-12, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The discussion is not about court ordered sealed anything. It is about records that some would like to see. If there is nothing to hide why not let the records show there is nothing of mention and take the 5 million for a charity.

It's a form of extortion and we don't negotiate with terrorists comes to mind.

AVGWarhawk · 10-25-12, 01:04 PM

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It's a form of extortion and we don't negotiate with terrorists comes to mind.

Extortion? Not really. Setting a precedence if Obama goes through with it? Absolutely.

mookiemookie · 10-25-12, 02:18 PM

The whole "if you have nothing to hide, you should consent to X" thing is such a farce. That's the same type of wrongheaded thinking that got the Patriot Act passed.

Refusing to release records from years ago because your political enemies are looking to make hay with anything they find in them is not a crime or even controversial. If Mitt Romney had said "screw you, my taxes are my business." I wouldn't have batted an eye. It was a spun up issue that was absolutely retarded - of course any sane person with access to accountants and tax shelters is going to make use of them to minimize their tax burden. You'd be a fool to do otherwise. That's why TurboTax and H.R. Block and every other tax preparer advertises that they can find you the most deductions and get your tax bill down lower. But all of a sudden we're going to tar and feather Mitt Romney because he did the exact same thing millions of Americans do every April? Come on now.

And the same thing with this Obama college stuff. What Obama got in college in 1980-whocares-ever is irrelevant to anything going on today. First off, the debunked lies that Dowly posted are being repeated over and over. Second of all, people are trying to claim it's not about some birther garbage, but instead it's about claiming to be a foreigner to get some sort of advantage. Uh...hell-oooo, that's what being a birther is. And it's not the eeeeevil libruls that are trying to make being a birther an out-there and crazy thing - the fact that there are still people who believe in it despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary are what make it an out-there and crazy thing. If you don't want to be labelled a conspiracy theorist, then don't believe in conspiracy theories.

If there was anything to find, the armies of Koch-funded PACs and the Clintons and the McCains and the Romneys would have found it by now. Give it up.

August · 10-25-12, 02:39 PM

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If there was anything to find, the armies of Koch-funded PACs and the Clintons and the McCains and the Romneys would have found it by now. Give it up.

You're probably right Mookie, but if so then it's an easy 5 million for Obamas favorite charity while at the same time making "The Donald" look like more the idiot that he is.

So why does Barry pass it up? 5 million bucks would go a long way. Doesn't he care about the poor children?

Buddahaid · 10-25-12, 02:22 PM

Sorry I just don't agree with you AVG. This only shows Trump to be the POS he really is and you fell for it.

A better name for this would be coercion.

Coercion: the practice of compelling a person or manipulating them to behave in an involuntary way (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation, trickery, or some other form of pressure or force. These are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way.

AVGWarhawk · 10-25-12, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Sorry I just don't agree with you AVG. This only shows Trump to be the POS he really is and you fell for it.

A better name for this would be coercion.

Coercion: the practice of compelling a person or manipulating them to behave in an involuntary way (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation, trickery, or some other form of pressure or force. These are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way.

I did not fall for anything. The Don is a nut.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...3&postcount=56

It is not coercion either. No one is making Obama behave in a involuntary way. I see no intimidation, trickery or pressure. Obama is not a victim.

GoldenRivet · 10-25-12, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Don Trumps bid to release BO college paperwork has nothing to do with birth certs. It has to do with BO applying to college and receiving financial aid as a foreign student.

Bush's college paperwork was released without issue. Why not BO?

This

If he lied to gain an unfair advantage... i'd want to know.

AVGWarhawk · 10-25-12, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

This

If he lied to gain an unfair advantage... i'd want to know.

Claims, as Dowly posted links, are BO is clean as a whistle. If so, why not show the cleanliness in the records and take the 5 million? Heck, use it for his own charity called his campaign.

10-25-12, 02:18 PM	#10
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	The whole "if you have nothing to hide, you should consent to X" thing is such a farce. That's the same type of wrongheaded thinking that got the Patriot Act passed. Refusing to release records from years ago because your political enemies are looking to make hay with anything they find in them is not a crime or even controversial. If Mitt Romney had said "screw you, my taxes are my business." I wouldn't have batted an eye. It was a spun up issue that was absolutely retarded - of course any sane person with access to accountants and tax shelters is going to make use of them to minimize their tax burden. You'd be a fool to do otherwise. That's why TurboTax and H.R. Block and every other tax preparer advertises that they can find you the most deductions and get your tax bill down lower. But all of a sudden we're going to tar and feather Mitt Romney because he did the exact same thing millions of Americans do every April? Come on now. And the same thing with this Obama college stuff. What Obama got in college in 1980-whocares-ever is irrelevant to anything going on today. First off, the debunked lies that Dowly posted are being repeated over and over. Second of all, people are trying to claim it's not about some birther garbage, but instead it's about claiming to be a foreigner to get some sort of advantage. Uh...hell-oooo, that's what being a birther is. And it's not the eeeeevil libruls that are trying to make being a birther an out-there and crazy thing - the fact that there are still people who believe in it despite the mountains of evidence to the contrary are what make it an out-there and crazy thing. If you don't want to be labelled a conspiracy theorist, then don't believe in conspiracy theories. If there was anything to find, the armies of Koch-funded PACs and the Clintons and the McCains and the Romneys would have found it by now. Give it up. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

10-25-12, 02:22 PM	#12
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,327 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Sorry I just don't agree with you AVG. This only shows Trump to be the POS he really is and you fell for it. A better name for this would be coercion. Coercion: the practice of compelling a person or manipulating them to behave in an involuntary way (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation, trickery, or some other form of pressure or force. These are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

10-25-12, 07:58 AM	#1
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,276 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Don Trumps bid to release BO college paperwork has nothing to do with birth certs. It has to do with BO applying to college and receiving financial aid as a foreign student. Bush's college paperwork was released without issue. Why not BO?

10-25-12, 09:38 AM	#5
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,276 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Although I think the Don is a bit nutty with this, there is something to sealed records for both the Obamas. Records that anyone else, like Bush, would be a open book. Obama is receiving yet another pass. This has nothing to do with birther crap everyone jumps all over when questions arise. Obama's past is not really dreams of his father.....