European Union wins Nobel Peace Prize for uniting continent

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Oberon

It is a bit of a stretch to award it to an organisation rather than to a person...however in a manner of speaking I can see their point. This is one of the longest stretches of peace in Western Europe since Roman times!
So, in those terms alone, the EU deserves a peace prize.

The Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded to many organizations before. The Institute of International Law in 1904, the Red Cross in 1917 and 1944, plus a few others.

But I don't see why the EU should receive it, their members have been at peace for decades; I've not heard of the EU stopping a war between its members...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Hawk66

Sorry, but I really cannot understand this EU bashing...is this a kind of sports here ? Is this a dislike of big organizations?

I also agree that without NATO there would no be free Europe today and it is a shame that a some of my countrymen have already forgotten that.

But the EU played a vital role in the unification of commerce, economics and non-security politics.

What do you expect when more than 20 countries have to find compromises, whose political leaders follow (and have to follow) national interests?

What is the alternative? Europe before WWII ? And no we cannot copy the model of this nice, lovely Switzerland; because this model does not scale!

It begins with that the EU is not Europe and that Europe is not the EU.

And that "Europe" always means an implicit plural. A single "European identity" never existed in the meaning of singular.

The EU is the antithesis to what you - and me - probably wishes Europe to be. And it matches formidable parallels to the power system and hierarchy structure of the former Soviet Union. Like the Federal republic of Germany today has more similiarities with the GDR than anyone can feel comfortable with.

We have a joke over here in Germany: that Merkel is Honnecker's late revenge at the "BRD" (=Bundesrepublik Deutschland=Westgermany).

I am for Europe. Thats why I am necessarily against the EU.

BTW, economic cooperation we already had with the EEC, the unification of commerce is a disaster that cripples member states more and more, and the unification of non-security policies is nsom,ethgignthey can shove deep inside their lower bottoms and serves as a foul excuse for sticking their impertinent noses deep and deeper into things that they must not be interested in and that they nevertheless want to control in the nbame of control and in order to destroy ethnic and cultural diversities of European cultures. What the EU does in this regard, in principle is not different to the ambitions of Stalinistic Russia, and Yugoslavia, or the Danube monarchy. All failed in the end, all entities fell apart in violence. It will not be different with this monster EU, I think.

The bad thing is it will be violent. The good thing is it will happen nevertheless. Force together diverse things of too great differences, and you sow the seed of future conflict. The EU - to me is a self-fullfilling prophecy. It will create right the drama that it - wrongly - claims to prevent.

[dcb]

"The Europe that I love is a Europe of diversity, of culture, of individual nations" - Nigel Farage.
Here is a very insightful - and recent - speech of a great politician, who is not afraid to speak up his mind.



This guy is right, and the EU has turned into a big and costly bureaucracy that annihilates the idea of nations and imposes a new kind of Comecon upon small nations.

This is the same kind of "totalitarian peace" that existed in the former Soviet block before 1990.

Just ask the Greeks, Poles, Hungarians, Spanish, Portuguese or my Romanians what they think about "melting" into an artificial and supranational structure that imposes its ways to everybody, no matter the cost, a "big brother" that acts to the best political interest of big states.

The EU was a great idea while it was about independent nations working together. Now, when they want to build by force the United States of Europe, it turned into an oppressing bureaucracy and is rapidly forgetting the basics of democracy.

They could as well have awarded the Nobel to the defunct Soviet Union, for averting the wars that shattered the ex-Soviet space after its dissolution.

Here is a very insightful - and recent - speech of a great politician, who is not afraid to speak up his mind.

Is that the same "I am not making this up" Nigel Farage?

[STEED]

EU Banking crises six trillion euros.

And not one of these crooks banged up.

EU= CORRUPTION.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by STEED

EU Banking crises

EU= CORRUPTION.

there is no "EU banking" crisis, but a banking crisis, and regarding the EU: a crisis of general trust that was betrayed in general. The banking in London City or America is as effected and is as corrupt. And many of the critical financial "products" that have overflooded the market with dubious, highly suspicious constructs - were brainchilds of anglosaxon banking and economy philosphy.

Not to mention the "print more money!" conception, which also is explicitly pushed by the Anglosaxon business culture. Most dubious actor here is the US Fed.

The EU is corrupt, But corrupt is also the big busines world. Business lobbyism. Investement banks. Wall Street. IMF. Etc etc etc.

"Finanzprodukte" (fincial products). The mere term and idea already is a complete declaration of intellectual bancruptcy.

[Dan D]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded to many organizations before. The Institute of International Law in 1904, the Red Cross in 1917 and 1944, plus a few others.

But I don't see why the EU should receive it, their members have been at peace for decades; I've not heard of the EU stopping a war between its members...

"their members have been at peace for decades", that is relative. In 1945 the US had about the same amount of troops in Germany as Nazi Germany had with its Allies when they attacked the Soviet Union in 1941: three millions. In Europe throughout history we never had a longer period without war since the end of WW II, very relative. We have to get used to it.
There was never a war between EU members. If you refer to the conflicts on the Balkans, there were no EU members back then. They now want to become EU members. U can't become a EU member if you go to war with your neighbour,

[soopaman2]

This is similar to giving president Obama the Nobel Peace prize as soon as he took office.

Way too premature, and laughable.

I guess even the Nobel commitee has forsaken its integrity.

Makes me wary of any of its other winners, the most recent ones seem to be politically driven.

I can point out quite a few things bad about the so called "unity"

I'll start with Germany and France floating the bills at all costs to hold this farce together.

[HunterICX]

It's like giving the Nobel Price in Economics to the ones who invented the Euro..... it's hilariously ridiculous.

HunterICX

[Gerald]

Well, the Norwegians thought maybe completely different paths....

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Skybird

there is no "EU banking" crisis, but a banking crisis, and regarding the EU: a crisis of general trust that was betrayed in general. The banking in London City or America is as effected and is as corrupt. And many of the critical financial "products" that have overflooded the market with dubious, highly suspicious constructs - were brainchilds of anglosaxon banking and economy philosphy.

Not to mention the "print more money!" conception, which also is explicitly pushed by the Anglosaxon business culture. Most dubious actor here is the US Fed.

The EU is corrupt, But corrupt is also the big busines world. Business lobbyism. Investement banks. Wall Street. IMF. Etc etc etc.

"Finanzprodukte" (fincial products). The mere term and idea already is a complete declaration of intellectual bancruptcy.

Update for Skybird...

Yes the city mile here is 100% corrupt but not for much longer, looks like this nest of vipers are set to jump on the ferry and take up resistance in Ireland. I of course will be keeping a eye on this story.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

Update for Skybird...

Yes the city mile here is 100% corrupt but not for much longer, looks like this nest of vipers are set to jump on the ferry and take up resistance in Ireland. I of course will be keeping a eye on this story.

Reminds me of the rats that are first to leave a sinking ship.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Reminds me of the rats that are first to leave a sinking ship.

They don't like the regulations on the way, only time will tell if these are tough new regulations or watered down full of loop holes regulations, ferry on stand by just in case.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Did someone say Europe was at peace?

Possibly in terms of open warfare

I don't think so (warning, graphic image).

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

O boy, Skybird is gonna get angry

And he will be right.

Europeanist elites who never cease to congratulate themselves can be happy now, while all peoples in Europe notice everyday that the european union has no more to do with the European Dream.

In fact, all prizes in the world as well as all kinds of declarations won't do anything. The european union is no more the Europe of Peace. It is no more the Europe of the treaty of Rome. A few decades ago, the once free, fraternal and prosperous Peoples of Europe celebrated the beneficial effects brought by their mighty union.
It is no more the Europe of the free Peoples nowadays. No one would ever dare to put that in question.

What once was the Europe of Peace, is not to be considered as what the european union is nowadays. For the last 20 years, the federalist and technocratic Europe has got to see no more than failures. The european union these days, is the one of declining factories closing one after another, the one of massive unemployment, the one of uncontrolled immigration, the one of the Italian and Spanish Peoples in the streets, the one of bankers and money market. The european union nowadays, is the end of Democracies.
As it let non-elected technocrats establish authoritarian policies throughout the whole continent, the european union let tensions and old scars reappear on its side. In Athens, when Merkel is welcomed by the Greek People - overburdened with illegitimate and criminal policies - showing swastikas, does anyone really think Peace, Progress and Brotherood gain ground in Europe ?

The so-called european union is the worst enemy of the peaceful Europe. Apparatchiks in Brussels enslave the Peoples that the fathers of the treaty of Rome once had reconciled.

This Nobel prize is posthumously awarded to Europe.
This warm tribute to this defunct yet admirable ideology will hopefully draw the attention of Peoples, letting them recall the fact that Europe has got to be a dream, and not this cold nightmare everyone's got to live everyday.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by STEED

EU Banking crises six trillion euros.

And not one of these crooks banged up.

EU= CORRUPTION.

Same in America, cept we find a few scapegoats. Just wait unti the bond bubble burst.