Practically all nuclear reactors in EU arisk - Page 2

CCIP · 10-02-12, 11:17 PM

wow!

soopaman2 · 10-02-12, 11:22 PM

Just wondering if Elvis Presley was the sonar operator?

Oberon · 10-02-12, 11:28 PM

Damn those Iraqi SSGNs!

Well, looking at Square Legs map, yeah...I think my bedroom would have been redecorated effectively where I used to live in the 1980s...can't figure out why the devil the Russkies would nuke that part of Kent though...but that being said this is the Exercise that had the Soviets nuke Eastbourne for no apparent reason except that it's Eastbourne.
Obviously some Soviet general had a bad holiday there...

Stealhead · 10-03-12, 12:48 AM

Shoot if you live close enough to be killed instantly or nearly instantly by a nuclear blast (0~15) miles depending on yield and detonation your lucky.It the ones that live where all of the fallout is going to drift that are going to truly suffer.

The epicenter must be very fast I have seen pictures from Hiroshima of a persons foot prints but no falling so they just walked into nothingness.They also found really creepy "shadows" of persons where they where near a wall and you could see their last second.

Here is a link to some pictures they are not really gory per say and there is actually no person there but still possibly disturbing.It is the shadow burned onto the surface that is there and some are still there to this day creepy.

Of course all warfare is pretty lousy to the human body and the B-29 raid on Tokyo a few weeks before actually killed 120,000 people in a matter of hours it does not matter if it is a nuclear bomb or a broad sword crushing your skull or bullet tearing your organs apart its lousy either way.

foot prints I think that the person got blown away by the blast hence no shadow of the body so we all at some point have breathed this person in and out
or they are part of the soil someplace.
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/414610-4/img001_002

Japanese solider sitting near a ladder:
http://www.southbayriders.com/forums...4&d=1273103706

someone sitting on steps this person was very close from the shadow maybe just below the bomb which was an air burst
http://worldwar2database.com/gallery...g?m=1310180856

soopaman2 · 10-03-12, 12:55 AM

I am a corpse if it happens.

Not instantly, I am far enough from NYC to escape the blast, but all the bad driving refugees from our state to the north will surely butcher this state, with bad driving, and the leaning on the horn crap at a red light, like all the summer shore tourists from there do every summer. Using right hand turn lanes to shoot in front of you, greasy haired guineas (I can say that, I am a guinea), who drunk drive. etc...

I'm not worried about a nuke, but Long Island yuppie douchbags with drivers licenses scare me.

Stealhead · 10-03-12, 01:31 AM

Well they would first do several EMP burst in order to wipe out as much electronics as possible keep you form staring your car at all then hit you with an air burst.

They would target our missile silos and major strategic targets first in order to wipe out as much counter attack as possible hopefully hitting enough of our secondary weapons (ones targeted at industry) from even launching or most of them anyway.

The Soviets started to feel as though the US was so ahead in warhead numbers that we actually where comfortable with a limited nuclear exchange so they started making missiles with a large MIRV capacity to try and make up for the gap which in turn made some in the US fear a gap.

Look up the MX program and the documentary called "First Strike" it is very interesting as the first acted section is real meaning real SAC and Navy people
the procedures shown are very accurate but what the experts talk about next is fairly interesting.

Next look up "Dead Hand" and also 1983 Able Archer.1983 was an extremely tense time period to say the least we came very very close mostly all tanks to paranoia in the KGB
or in its analyzation of gathered intel they misinterrupted our raising of military facility threat con increase due to the Marine Barracks bombing as a preparation for war and that is just a samll bit of it.

Then the Soviet early warning system which was a little wonky saw a sun glare and triggered a minuteman launch alert luckily the man in charge did not trust the system and personally felt that the US would send a massive strike not the handful that his system was warning him off his was right of course good thing he decided and did not send it up further until the last possible minute where it was clear something was amiss with the system where they did not have doubts as to the EW system and would have had minutes to decide launch or not.The guy got fired from his post even though he was right and later had two nervous break downs not overly surprising talk about making a very serious decision.Funny thing was it was not his normal shift he was standing in for someone who fell ill.

soopaman2 · 10-03-12, 02:02 AM

Able archer could even be seen as a Cuban Missle crisis part 2.

Except we scared them, instead of the other way around.

I am so glad competent minds were in charge during these years on both sides.

No one wins when a nuke weapon is used.

I posted this maybe 9 months ago, kinda long, and slow at first, but it gives you a clue of how bad we poisoned this planet with that stuff, just to wave our dongs about to each other.

It's worth the 15 minutes, it is staggering how messed up humans are. (size of the dot is the mega tonnage, you can tell when the Soviets let off Tsar Bomba nearly instantly.)

JU_88 · 10-03-12, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Only 250 miles from the atlantic coast.

Unless Ivan managed to penetrate Lake Ontario.

If Iraq could pull that off the Russians must have too...

We know they are down there - the Ducks told us.

Skybird · 10-03-12, 06:07 AM

Recently a scientist has calculated on basis of EU statistics that the energy-saving light bulbs have zero effect regarding reducing energy consumption and lowering according emissions. In general, over all households, there also is no monetarian saving effect. That is because a psychological factor interfering. People burn more such light bulbs now, and care less for switching lights off, because they think that now it is cheaper and that they must not care. This attitude has eaten up completely the savings in energy consumption from energy-saving light bulbs.

Energy demand in general is rising. Industries and households eat more and more. Just think of computers, and server farms. And of course everybody says: Energy Saving? Nice! But not in my backyard. This constant increase will and does eat up all plans for a green energy revolution. Green projections always imply there will be at least a freeze in energy demand, most times they assume that energy will be saved. At the same time, electric cars do not get off the ground. Just some thousand drive on German roads, not tens of thousands, but single thousands. They are too expensive, and have no legs, and the supply network is too thin. The government now has internally said good-by to push the number of new cars per year being electric to 1 million in 2020 - that is totally unrealistic.

What does this lead to? You need conventional energy production. Germany has left nuclear power production - for the time being, I say, I am not certain that this will stand forever. As a result several dozen new coal powerplants are in planning. Industry complains that over this year the total number of micro-blackouts - lasting less than 3-5 seconds - has multiplied by several factors, which is a warning signal that powergrid and energy production are becoming instabile due to too high demand. Germany imports energy reserve from France, where these get produced by - nuclear powerplants. Well, there you are, Germany. More coal and oil powerplants, more emissions, climate goals not to be met anymore, non-stabile powergrid, loss of engineering competence in the long run.

On the other side: the risk from nuclear power, and the problem of toxic waste. The Germans here know what i mean when I just mention the Asse. They wanted to store nuclear waste their, but water is flooding it slowly, and the barrels with the waste corrode, experts say that they cannot be retrieved anymore, they are too unstable. I say Three Mile Island. Sellafield. Chernobyl. Forsmark. Fukushima. Saint Laurent. Cattenom. Dampierre. And so many incidents more. As a matter of fact there are several dozen incidents recorded where nuclear cores partially have molten, contaminated material was released into the environment, and people got exposed to it. There is no "residual risk". There is only risk as routine.

Solution? Less people + reducing energy demand. That is the principle formula. A formula being managable in reality - I do not have.

Frankly, I think we sit in a runaway train, and a big, thick, high and wide wall is waiting ahead. Who of us is thinking about reducing energy consummation as much as possible when he is buying a new gaming PC...?

Stealhead · 10-03-12, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Recently a scientist has calculated on basis of EU statistics that the energy-saving light bulbs have zero effect regarding reducing energy consumption and lowering according emissions. In general, over all households, there also is no monetarian saving effect. That is because a psychological factor interfering. People burn more such light bulbs now, and care less for switching lights off, because they think that now it is cheaper and that they must not care. This attitude has eaten up completely the savings in energy consumption from energy-saving light bulbs.

Energy demand in general is rising. Industries and households eat more and more. Just think of computers, and server farms. And of course everybody says: Energy Saving? Nice! But not in my backyard. This constant increase will and does eat up all plans for a green energy revolution. Green projections always imply there will be at least a freeze in energy demand, most times they assume that energy will be saved. At the same time, electric cars do not get off the ground. Just some thousand drive on German roads, not tens of thousands, but single thousands. They are too expensive, and have no legs, and the supply network is too thin. The government now has internally said good-by to push the number of new cars per year being electric to 1 million in 2020 - that is totally unrealistic.

What does this lead to? You need conventional energy production. Germany has left nuclear power production - for the time being, I say, I am not certain that this will stand forever. As a result several dozen new coal powerplants are in planning. Industry complains that over this year the total number of micro-blackouts - lasting less than 3-5 seconds - has multiplied by several factors, which is a warning signal that powergrid and energy production are becoming instabile due to too high demand. Germany imports energy reserve from France, where these get produced by - nuclear powerplants. Well, there you are, Germany. More coal and oil powerplants, more emissions, climate goals not to be met anymore, non-stabile powergrid, loss of engineering competence in the long run.

On the other side: the risk from nuclear power, and the problem of toxic waste. The Germans here know what i mean when I just mention the Asse. They wanted to store nuclear waste their, but water is flooding it slowly, and the barrels with the waste corrode, experts say that they cannot be retrieved anymore, they are too unstable. I say Three Mile Island. Sellafield. Chernobyl. Forsmark. Fukushima. Saint Laurent. Cattenom. Dampierre. And so many incidents more. As a matter of fact there are several dozen incidents recorded where nuclear cores partially have molten, contaminated material was released into the environment, and people got exposed to it. There is no "residual risk". There is only risk as routine.

Solution? Less people + reducing energy demand. That is the principle formula. A formula being managable in reality - I do not have.

Frankly, I think we sit in a runaway train, and a big, thick, high and wide wall is waiting ahead. Who of us is thinking about reducing energy consummation as much as possible when he is buying a new gaming PC...?

Well according to analyses of the human DNA genome they where able to determine that twice in our history the population suddenly went from a steady amount to a very small number perhaps as few as 10,000 so we have had natural events that reduced the population by a substantial margin before.

People dont really worry about such things though and even two worlds a pandemic that killed 1% of the world population and all the other conflicts did not make a dent in our population growth.Only nature herself can have a real effect sooner or later one of the super volcanoes around the globe will erupt and do the work of nature.I suppose a nuclear war could have a similar effect.Other forms of population control would just fail I think.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...etic-diversity

@ soopaman some of the locations are way off in that video after October 10, 1963 at least they where underground blasts except for the Chinese tests they never signed the above ground ban treaty. you should look up missile tests which do not have a live warhead the last test for the minuteman was in 2012 long time ago.They plan to test one in November missile only of course.The last one was in February.They test launch them to make sure they still function but it also gives those watching an idea that we maintain as well.

Warhead maintenance was one of the jobs I qualified for but I like a roll of the dice so I went open field instead of picking a specific job and the number cruncher picked a different job for me you don't learn learn your fate until a the later weeks of basic.But I did have the marks for it and the basic level background check for it as well a Missiles guy(he had the ICBM pin) at MEPS actually pulled me aside and asked me all these questions about it and had fill out the FBI forms.I'm sure it was a basic physiological evaluation judging from the questions he was asking trying to save the shirks the time by weeding out a certain no go.Funny thing was he never specifically asked a question about nuclear warfare or how I felt about it my guess is if you talked about it with fascination they say that you where a no go.The guy really tried to convince me to sign a contract though thing is the contract says in the fine print the needs of the (insert branch here) have priority in other words they put you where they need you most no matter what.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video....45187815567966

Skybird · 10-03-12, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Well according to analyses of the human DNA genome they where able to determine that twice in our history the population suddenly went from a steady amount to a very small number perhaps as few as 10,000 so we have had natural events that reduced the population by a substantial margin before.

People dont really worry about such things though and even two worlds a pandemic that killed 1% of the world population and all the other conflicts did not make a dent in our population growth.Only nature herself can have a real effect sooner or later one of the super volcanoes around the globe will erupt and do the work of nature.I suppose a nuclear war could have a similar effect.Other forms of population control would just fail I think.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...etic-diversity

I garee in that nature has no human sentimentality and will clear certain issues in its own unsentimental ways if these issues do not get solved by the species involved in it. And that will easily be solutions that said species may see as brutal, tragic, cataclysmic. As I tend to think: protection of the environment is protection of humans. Saving resources is saving mankind. Strict population control is human survival. We need to find a way to bring global population to much power levels and there establishing a dynamically fluctuating stability, preventing a slow growth of population, but also preventing over-aging. that necessarily will mean a limitation of individual rights of deciding on personal family planning. I see no way around that. But before that, there is the question of population reduction. And maybe we must leave that to nature indeed, for if we take care of that ourselves, we would necessarily become accomplices in the biggest massmurdering in known human history.

What an uninterested, unsentimental, imperfect world we live in.

Stealhead · 10-03-12, 04:26 PM

Maybe the problem is that we evolve too slowly we are at point B while from an evolutionary standpoint our bodies are still stuck at point A.We are too successful but are not yet willing to face a serious problem.

Seth8530 · 10-04-12, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19804817

This was in the news already two days ago in German media.

Greenpeace pointed out in German TV that the stress test did not even consider multi-factorial failures of security systems - that means more than one security system failing simultaneously or in sequence.

Technical improvements necessary on basis of just the EU report now would range in the range of up to 25 billions.

I would of liked the article much better if it would of mentioned specifics. Nuclear reactors are for the most part extremely safe. They don't explode, belch carbon into the air, or kill people on a daily basis.
I would be willing to say that they are inherently safer than a coal or natural gas plant. Mainly due to the fact that hot rocks tend to be safer than highly combustible burning rocks.

I am presently studying nuclear engineering on the university level, and I am a believer in keeping all of our plants up to code.. But the level of media attention on nuclear energy is just plain unfair.. Someone got burned by steam at a nuclear power plant.. OMG it must make headline news.. But someone could get combusted at say a coal plant or crushed at a paper mill and it is business as usual.

BTW
Check this link out..

This is how a Pressurized water reactors works. ( Most plants in use today are PWRs)

http://www.areva.com/EN/operations-1587/heavy-components-to-boost-performance.html#tab=tab4

Their is a nice video at the bottom of the page BTW.

10-02-12, 11:17 PM	#16
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10-02-12, 11:22 PM	#17
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Just wondering if Elvis Presley was the sonar operator? __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

10-03-12, 12:48 AM	#19
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Shoot if you live close enough to be killed instantly or nearly instantly by a nuclear blast (0~15) miles depending on yield and detonation your lucky.It the ones that live where all of the fallout is going to drift that are going to truly suffer. The epicenter must be very fast I have seen pictures from Hiroshima of a persons foot prints but no falling so they just walked into nothingness.They also found really creepy "shadows" of persons where they where near a wall and you could see their last second. Here is a link to some pictures they are not really gory per say and there is actually no person there but still possibly disturbing.It is the shadow burned onto the surface that is there and some are still there to this day creepy. Of course all warfare is pretty lousy to the human body and the B-29 raid on Tokyo a few weeks before actually killed 120,000 people in a matter of hours it does not matter if it is a nuclear bomb or a broad sword crushing your skull or bullet tearing your organs apart its lousy either way. foot prints I think that the person got blown away by the blast hence no shadow of the body so we all at some point have breathed this person in and out or they are part of the soil someplace. http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/414610-4/img001_002 Japanese solider sitting near a ladder: http://www.southbayriders.com/forums...4&d=1273103706 someone sitting on steps this person was very close from the shadow maybe just below the bomb which was an air burst http://worldwar2database.com/gallery...g?m=1310180856 Last edited by Stealhead; 10-03-12 at 01:06 AM.

10-03-12, 12:55 AM	#20
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	I am a corpse if it happens. Not instantly, I am far enough from NYC to escape the blast, but all the bad driving refugees from our state to the north will surely butcher this state, with bad driving, and the leaning on the horn crap at a red light, like all the summer shore tourists from there do every summer. Using right hand turn lanes to shoot in front of you, greasy haired guineas (I can say that, I am a guinea), who drunk drive. etc... I'm not worried about a nuke, but Long Island yuppie douchbags with drivers licenses scare me. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

10-03-12, 01:31 AM	#21
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well they would first do several EMP burst in order to wipe out as much electronics as possible keep you form staring your car at all then hit you with an air burst. They would target our missile silos and major strategic targets first in order to wipe out as much counter attack as possible hopefully hitting enough of our secondary weapons (ones targeted at industry) from even launching or most of them anyway. The Soviets started to feel as though the US was so ahead in warhead numbers that we actually where comfortable with a limited nuclear exchange so they started making missiles with a large MIRV capacity to try and make up for the gap which in turn made some in the US fear a gap. Look up the MX program and the documentary called "First Strike" it is very interesting as the first acted section is real meaning real SAC and Navy people the procedures shown are very accurate but what the experts talk about next is fairly interesting. Next look up "Dead Hand" and also 1983 Able Archer.1983 was an extremely tense time period to say the least we came very very close mostly all tanks to paranoia in the KGB or in its analyzation of gathered intel they misinterrupted our raising of military facility threat con increase due to the Marine Barracks bombing as a preparation for war and that is just a samll bit of it. Then the Soviet early warning system which was a little wonky saw a sun glare and triggered a minuteman launch alert luckily the man in charge did not trust the system and personally felt that the US would send a massive strike not the handful that his system was warning him off his was right of course good thing he decided and did not send it up further until the last possible minute where it was clear something was amiss with the system where they did not have doubts as to the EW system and would have had minutes to decide launch or not.The guy got fired from his post even though he was right and later had two nervous break downs not overly surprising talk about making a very serious decision.Funny thing was it was not his normal shift he was standing in for someone who fell ill. Last edited by Stealhead; 10-03-12 at 01:43 AM.

10-02-12, 11:28 PM	#18
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Damn those Iraqi SSGNs! Well, looking at Square Legs map, yeah...I think my bedroom would have been redecorated effectively where I used to live in the 1980s...can't figure out why the devil the Russkies would nuke that part of Kent though...but that being said this is the Exercise that had the Soviets nuke Eastbourne for no apparent reason except that it's Eastbourne. Obviously some Soviet general had a bad holiday there...

10-03-12, 02:02 AM	#22
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Able archer could even be seen as a Cuban Missle crisis part 2. Except we scared them, instead of the other way around. I am so glad competent minds were in charge during these years on both sides. No one wins when a nuke weapon is used. I posted this maybe 9 months ago, kinda long, and slow at first, but it gives you a clue of how bad we poisoned this planet with that stuff, just to wave our dongs about to each other. It's worth the 15 minutes, it is staggering how messed up humans are. (size of the dot is the mega tonnage, you can tell when the Soviets let off Tsar Bomba nearly instantly.) __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

10-03-12, 06:07 AM	#24
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,708 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Recently a scientist has calculated on basis of EU statistics that the energy-saving light bulbs have zero effect regarding reducing energy consumption and lowering according emissions. In general, over all households, there also is no monetarian saving effect. That is because a psychological factor interfering. People burn more such light bulbs now, and care less for switching lights off, because they think that now it is cheaper and that they must not care. This attitude has eaten up completely the savings in energy consumption from energy-saving light bulbs. Energy demand in general is rising. Industries and households eat more and more. Just think of computers, and server farms. And of course everybody says: Energy Saving? Nice! But not in my backyard. This constant increase will and does eat up all plans for a green energy revolution. Green projections always imply there will be at least a freeze in energy demand, most times they assume that energy will be saved. At the same time, electric cars do not get off the ground. Just some thousand drive on German roads, not tens of thousands, but single thousands. They are too expensive, and have no legs, and the supply network is too thin. The government now has internally said good-by to push the number of new cars per year being electric to 1 million in 2020 - that is totally unrealistic. What does this lead to? You need conventional energy production. Germany has left nuclear power production - for the time being, I say, I am not certain that this will stand forever. As a result several dozen new coal powerplants are in planning. Industry complains that over this year the total number of micro-blackouts - lasting less than 3-5 seconds - has multiplied by several factors, which is a warning signal that powergrid and energy production are becoming instabile due to too high demand. Germany imports energy reserve from France, where these get produced by - nuclear powerplants. Well, there you are, Germany. More coal and oil powerplants, more emissions, climate goals not to be met anymore, non-stabile powergrid, loss of engineering competence in the long run. On the other side: the risk from nuclear power, and the problem of toxic waste. The Germans here know what i mean when I just mention the Asse. They wanted to store nuclear waste their, but water is flooding it slowly, and the barrels with the waste corrode, experts say that they cannot be retrieved anymore, they are too unstable. I say Three Mile Island. Sellafield. Chernobyl. Forsmark. Fukushima. Saint Laurent. Cattenom. Dampierre. And so many incidents more. As a matter of fact there are several dozen incidents recorded where nuclear cores partially have molten, contaminated material was released into the environment, and people got exposed to it. There is no "residual risk". There is only risk as routine. Solution? Less people + reducing energy demand. That is the principle formula. A formula being managable in reality - I do not have. Frankly, I think we sit in a runaway train, and a big, thick, high and wide wall is waiting ahead. Who of us is thinking about reducing energy consummation as much as possible when he is buying a new gaming PC...? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-03-12, 04:26 PM	#27
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Maybe the problem is that we evolve too slowly we are at point B while from an evolutionary standpoint our bodies are still stuck at point A.We are too successful but are not yet willing to face a serious problem.