Ahmadinejad's cameraman defects

[Alex]

The right to stand for the values of a country blamed for living another way than the Occident, before the nuclear holocaust takes place. Let me state again that people definitely should make themselves familiar with some neutral news before posting anything related to criticism, condemnation of a political regime, and all that stuff.

What's all that about Alex?

Thats easy. Iran is in the topic, the Iranian regime has a attitude problem over Israel, Alex hates Jews so Iran must be right and all the rest of you are swallowing the media which is of course ....the jews.
Get with the program Jim, you don't expect a mind like that to make sense do you?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Alex

Putrid occidental propaganda to be smelled for miles around, always the same scenario and still, quite a few just swallow it all like little obedient children, believing in their flag and authority for acting like no other country on foreign soil, just as others believe in God. Did you even think about getting to know what Ahmadinejad did for his countrymen on the social and economical levels, or the way the female condition is handled in this country, or even what he did for the youth when he was Tehran's mayor years ago ? Just stop reading the Times, man, or you'll end up crazy.

Don't worry. Soon the oh so rightful Occidental news will let you know about gas chambers built under Mahmoud's regime. Probably right after he'll commit suicide with his wife in some casbah-like bunker.

What Ahmadinejad did while mayor? He segregated City Hall. He spent $17 Million renovating the Jamkaran mosque (plus however much the new railroad line and grand avenue in Tehran costed) in preparation for the coming of the 12th Imam (and the massive doomsday battle that is prophesied to follow). Oh and he shut down everyone's favorite fast food restaurants.

As President his country has seen the price of poultry skyrocket as much as their currency has inflated, if not more. We are seeing gender segregation becoming common place. ... and the killings...

THIS is what Ahmadinejad, plus the Mullahs and their IRGC cronies are doing to Iran:




(These are the tame photos.)

"O mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace."

-President Ahmadinejad speech at UN Sept 17 2005

If THAT is the kind of justice and peace he wants to fill the world with, I say: NO THANK YOU!

(Actually I would say something very different but I'm not going to post it here.)

[Gerald]

You do not need it, there are no words that cover...

[Stealhead]

The Occident is that a shape I did not learn about in school? That was a rhetorical question I know what it actually means and the fantasy meanings as well .

I like how he assumes that we rely on main stream media.CNN does not even no where Baku is.

And you have the nerve to say that we are basically stupid yet your sig gives us rather large clue that your sources of information are highly reliable.....at being complete poppycock(Limit that this site allows me to say).

Go to Iran and give Ahmadinejad a high five for all his good work why dont you judging buy your sig you guys would make fast friends.

[Penguin]

Allright, let's check out some neutral news sources from Iran. How about a newspaper called Shargh? Ups, sorry, got closed down. At about the same time, while the defender of liberty talked at the UN about "freedom": Controversial cartoon led to ban on reformist Iranian newspaper

Ok, how about a blog? Damned, can't blog from prison. Imprisoned Blogger/HR Activist Hossein Ronaghi Maleki Is In Dire Condition In Tabriz Prison

Btw, the first site, yourmiddleeast.com, is a pretty good newssource regarding the ME, trying to keep a neutral stance.
Another good page about Iran is persian2english.com - however they keep an eye on this weird western-occidental concept of human rights and unneccessary stuff like that...

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

The Occident is that a shape I did not learn about in school?

I can understand that. After all you are just a backwards peckerwood who lives in the swamps of Florida. Educated only by the zionist US media, never got out of America, who probably can't point on a map where Iran is and who never talked to people from there.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

What Ahmadinejad did while mayor? He segregated City Hall. He spent $17 Million renovating the Jamkaran mosque (plus however much the new railroad line and grand avenue in Tehran costed) in preparation for the coming of the 12th Imam (and the massive doomsday battle that is prophesied to follow). Oh and he shut down everyone's favorite fast food restaurants.

As President his country has seen the price of poultry skyrocket as much as their currency has inflated, if not more. We are seeing gender segregation becoming common place. ... and the killings...

THIS is what Ahmadinejad, plus the Mullahs and their IRGC cronies are doing to Iran:




(These are the tame photos.)

Oh noes !
So THAT is Iran !
I just can't believe it !
I don't know how to thank you enough for posting these pictures in here ! Thanks for denouncing and condemning the injustice, Sir ! I've got to quote your message, and really, I'm with you on that cause, I feel better now that they're posted one more time in this thread ! Now let's all gather together in the streets and stand for the rights of the Iranian people !
[/irony]

Pictures are very influential. Now the average guy needs to say he's strongly against Iran, and feels like a patriot.

Food for the ignorant.

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

If THAT is the kind of justice and peace he wants to fill the world with, I say: NO THANK YOU!

Ah, things you've got to know through sites standing for the same values and power that is yours. No need to care about what others say about your country, nor WHY : you're constantly right, so you just don't need to care about what others think.
According to this kind people you seem to be part of, basically anything not based on your own judiciary system/actual values/support of your economy/etc. is not worth existing. I don't mean the iranian government nor judiciary system has got my support, but Iran is a sovereign state that is perfectly able to figure out who deserves this kind of treatment nowadays, just like many states in your country do - even though different methods of execution are applied in your country, the objective to be achieved is still the same : death. So I'm still trying to figure out how a person living in your country can feel the need to interfere with the right of another country to do the same as what is done where you live, haha. In fact, and with all due respect to you (sincerely !), what is your role there, are you just arguing in favour of the lethal injection that is valid in your country instead of the death by hanging ?
Also, can you let me know how can you (and others) consider yourself a valid person to put into question iranian courts' ability to decide on who deserves such a sentence, while it is obvious that you just care about what your tv and medias say, and consequently can't have an overall view of the situation worldwide on that matter ?

Other than that, it is almost offensive to me to see you posting a bunch of pictures supposed to have been taken in Iran (When ? Where ? Who are the murderers, and what about their counts of indictment ?), while you've got absolutely no idea about their validity.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Alex

Ah, things you've got to know through sites standing for the same values and power that is yours. No need to care about what others say about your country, nor WHY : you're constantly right, so you just don't need to care about what others think.

Actually, the only person that I see with that attitude in this thread is you.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Alex

Oh noes !
So THAT is Iran !
I just can't believe it !
I don't know how to thank you enough for posting these pictures in here ! Thanks for denouncing and condemning the injustice, Sir ! I've got to quote your message, and really, I'm with you on that cause, I feel better now that they're posted one more time in this thread ! Now let's all gather together in the streets and stand for the rights of the Iranian people !
[/irony]

Pictures are very influential. Now the average guy needs to say he's strongly against Iran, and feels like a patriot.

Food for the ignorant.

I don't need to say anything, I do things.

Reports I've helped to write have been used by The Burke Chair at CSIS; The Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Ah, things you've got to know through sites standing for the same values and power that is yours. No need to care about what others say about your country, nor WHY : you're constantly right, so you just don't need to care about what others think.
According to this kind people you seem to be part of, basically anything not based on your own judiciary system/actual values/support of your economy/etc. is not worth existing. I don't mean the iranian government nor judiciary system has got my support, but Iran is a sovereign state that is perfectly able to figure out who deserves this kind of treatment nowadays, just like many states in your country do - even though different methods of execution are applied in your country, the objective to be achieved is still the same : death. So I'm still trying to figure out how a person living in your country can feel the need to interfere with the right of another country to do the same as what is done where you live, haha. In fact, and with all due respect to you (sincerely !), what is your role there, are you just arguing in favour of the lethal injection that is valid in your country instead of the death by hanging ?
Also, can you let me know how can you (and others) consider yourself a valid person to put into question iranian courts' ability to decide on who deserves such a sentence, while it is obvious that you just care about what your tv and medias say, and consequently can't have an overall view of the situation worldwide on that matter ?

If you were paying attention you would notice I'm from New York. The NYS Court of Appeals ruled the death penalty unconstitutional (in regards to the state constitution) in People v. LaValle. Except for a few years under Pataki NYS has been without a death penalty since Furman v. Georgia, and hasn't executed a prisoner since '63. I can say I've never voted for anyone who said bring it back either.

Sovereignty of a state does not give it total control of its citizens nor give it the right to strip their freedoms away. And you are right, I stand with anyone who supports the values of freedom because those who don't, well we have words for them.

And btw I do listen to what people who don't support my country's values say, especially their leaders, and if others did like I do they wouldn't sleep at night.

Other than that, it is almost offensive to me to see you posting a bunch of pictures supposed to have been taken in Iran (When ? Where ? Who are the murderers, and what about their counts of indictment ?), while you've got absolutely no idea about their validity.

Occurred on or about July 26, 2008. 30 People were executed including several for crimes of be drunk in public, what we could call disturbing the peace or endangering public safety, and having an adulterous relationship.


Occurred on or about July 23, 2007. The three executed (two males, one female) were convicted of adultery.



Occurred on August 15, 2004. The executed was convicted of being raped by a 50 year old taxi driver (she was only 16 BTW). Her name was Atefah.

[Stealhead]

Response of the year right there.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Response of the year right there.

Proper debate tactics: If someone challenges your statement, show facts. It shouldn't be the response of the year, it should be every response. For TLAM it usually is.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Response of the year right there.

Agree. Well done TLAM.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Proper debate tactics: If someone challenges your statement, show facts. It shouldn't be the response of the year, it should be every response. For TLAM it usually is.

I thought in debates you are supposed to completely evade questions that you dont like and instead completely belittle the other persons opinion and ideally that person in general.

[Lord_magerius]

That's the way it works in politics Stealhead, on these forums, it's a case of those who have facts and those who dispute them, with some crazy ideologies that would get them banned on most forums.