Wikileaks' Julian Assange seeks Supreme Court hearing

Skybird · 10-02-12, 05:02 PM

Tchocky, trust less in so-called "authorities" - starting with presidents and ending with courts.

It's almost always Mr. Janus you are talking to.

Quote:

Assange has to play by the same rules as the rest of us.

Governments, parliaments, lobbies, big business almost always must do not.

It's not four Janusses, but just one. Trust nobody, they do not deserve it.

You may see our states and their institutions as mainly trustworthy. I see them as mainly rotten, dysfunctional and untrustworthy. You ignore the nature of conspiracies and plots. I take them into account. You put the rule book over reality. I put reality over the ideal utopia described in the rule book.

And no, plots and conspiracies do not follow the rules that "all of us have to follow". Mr. Janus always shows the face that is the most opportunistic. That's his nature.

Tchocky · 10-03-12, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Tchocky, trust less in so-called "authorities" - starting with presidents and ending with courts.

It's almost always Mr. Janus you are talking to.

Throwing your hands in the air and declaring that everything is inside out and preordained by this mysterious cabal called "authority" doesn't get you anywhere. Evidence before faith. I'm saying that from what I see and read and deduce, accusations of plotting and treachery in this case don't make any sense. The source material doesn't add up and I'm not going to start filling in the blanks with half-baked conspiracy theories.

Quote:

Governments, parliaments, lobbies, big business almost always must do not.

It's not four Janusses, but just one. Trust nobody, they do not deserve it.

Yeah fine, privilege and power allows rules to be bent or broken. Any idiot knows that. That doesnt make everything a plot - the world simply doesn't work like that. At all.

Quote:

You may see our states and their institutions as mainly trustworthy. I see them as mainly rotten, dysfunctional and untrustworthy. You ignore the nature of conspiracies and plots. I take them into account. You put the rule book over reality. I put reality over the ideal utopia described in the rule book.

But nothing you've posted about this issue makes any sense. For you it must be a plot, because the institutions are corrupt. Regardless of the evidence. If something doesn't make sense then it must be another part of the maskirovka.

Catfish · 10-03-12, 12:01 PM

^ Yeah right. Look at the german "Treuhand" and then trust the "authorities".

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/37/37484/1.html

The factory and resource inventory of East Germany was evaluated to have a value of 600 billion Euros, in 1989.

- When the "Treuhand" ceased to exist in 1994, East Germany was ruined, eonomically.
- 85 percent of the corporations now belonged to West Germany, 2,5 million east german workers had lost their job, and the "Treuhand" had debts of some 256 billion Euros.
- So roughly estimated 865 billion Euros just .. vanished.

Certainly, the german government-industry complex may be more corrupt than other countries' governments, but i assume most just do not want to know about such things.

Jimbuna · 10-04-12, 12:34 PM

It seems ole Julian's guarantors are trying to get their money back:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/guarantors-...190958355.html

Quote:

"Vaughan Smith - one of the nine, who between them put up 140,000 pounds - told Westminster Magistrates Court in London they were not to blame for Assange violating the terms of his bail".

Ummmmmm, surely the point of paying surety is that you understand that if your trustworthy friend hops it, you lose the money....?

Gerald · 10-04-12, 12:37 PM

Yes, getting the money back is probably out of the question.

soopaman2 · 10-04-12, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

It seems ole Julian's guarantors are trying to get their money back:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/guarantors-...190958355.html

Ummmmmm, surely the point of paying surety is that you understand that if your trustworthy friend hops it, you lose the money....?

That is how it works here in the USA.

But you know he hates the USA, and everything we do is bad, so he surely thinks, "screw those American loving bastards"

Maybe China can take him in, I am sure they will love him. Until he leaks them for fame, and free money.

I have more respect for Lady Gaga, but see him as the same, a fame whore, except way less talent.

Catfish · 10-05-12, 02:12 AM

I do not think he especially hates the US, there is more leaked material than just of the US. What he obviously does not like are cover-ups and hidden crimes done by governments in the name of freedom and democracy, against international law and treaties. Is this so bad ?

And no one answered my question of what you think whether the journalists during the Watergate scandal back then should have been shot as traitors -from those posts here it seems most think that would have been the right thing ?

If i may ask politely, if maybe falling for Godwin's law:

Now that we know of what our governments did and still do, against international law and human rights, the question is:

To what extent are we responsible if we do not take any action against what is happening ?
No one can say we did not know it, this time.

10-04-12, 12:37 PM	#5
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Yes, getting the money back is probably out of the question. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

10-03-12, 12:01 PM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,819 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Yeah right. Look at the german "Treuhand" and then trust the "authorities". http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/37/37484/1.html The factory and resource inventory of East Germany was evaluated to have a value of 600 billion Euros, in 1989. - When the "Treuhand" ceased to exist in 1994, East Germany was ruined, eonomically. - 85 percent of the corporations now belonged to West Germany, 2,5 million east german workers had lost their job, and the "Treuhand" had debts of some 256 billion Euros. - So roughly estimated 865 billion Euros just .. vanished. Certainly, the german government-industry complex may be more corrupt than other countries' governments, but i assume most just do not want to know about such things.

10-05-12, 02:12 AM	#7
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,819 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I do not think he especially hates the US, there is more leaked material than just of the US. What he obviously does not like are cover-ups and hidden crimes done by governments in the name of freedom and democracy, against international law and treaties. Is this so bad ? And no one answered my question of what you think whether the journalists during the Watergate scandal back then should have been shot as traitors -from those posts here it seems most think that would have been the right thing ? If i may ask politely, if maybe falling for Godwin's law: Now that we know of what our governments did and still do, against international law and human rights, the question is: To what extent are we responsible if we do not take any action against what is happening ? No one can say we did not know it, this time.