Houston officer kills double amputee in wheelchair

Jimbuna · 09-23-12, 05:22 AM

Sounds tragic to me and it's interesting to see the same officer fatally shot someone in 2009.

Having said that you really need to be in the same position to be able to make a judgement call.

eddie · 09-23-12, 11:16 AM

Tragic all the way around for everyone involved.

soopaman2 · 09-23-12, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Sounds tragic to me and it's interesting to see the same officer fatally shot someone in 2009.

Having said that you really need to be in the same position to be able to make a judgement call.

There was also 2 officers at the scene, the other one couldn't tip his wheelchair over, while the other coward got backed into a corner with a pen?

The big blue wall will protect them, no charges, and suspended with pay at worse.

Jimbuna · 09-23-12, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

There was also 2 officers at the scene, the other one couldn't tip his wheelchair over, while the other coward got backed into a corner with a pen?

The big blue wall will protect them, no charges, and suspended with pay at worse.

That may or may not turn out to be the case but either way the findings of the investigation will be interesting to see.

soopaman2 · 09-23-12, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

That may or may not turn out to be the case but either way the findings of the investigation will be interesting to see.

You have faith that I lack.

Just weeks ago NYPD officers fired (16 shots) into a crowd to kill a man who deserved to die most likely.

But hit 9 civvies, on a swamped street, 5th avenue is mobbed this time of morning, it was reckless, and no regard to the citizens given.

I see no charges on them yet, not even some kind of mild reckless endangerment.

But at least they shot the perp 7 times, high 5 right?

The big blue wall always wins. You underestimate our police unions.

Jimbuna · 09-23-12, 03:15 PM

Probably because I've never been shot and always on the right side of the gun (behind the trigger)

soopaman2 · 09-23-12, 03:24 PM

I am simply saying we are a land of laws, and if someone with a tin badge is exempt from them (the ones expected to enforce the law, while allowing for due process under our constitution), then what justification does the private gun owner have to stop him from killing anyone he wants when he wants?

We are a nation of laws, and the police mandate is to protect and serve, not kill and gloat.

People wonder why we have so many gun maniacs, we learn from our authorities. They can do it, we pay them to do it, why can't we? I got an ar-15, a Taurus .380 and a glock 9. Enough to hold off a band of "Terrists"

I never felt the urge. ( I am a wizard with the ar-15, I could paint a happy face on a paper target at 75 yards. Slightly crooked, but you know

)

But my fear is this will somehow be twisted into some anti-gun crap, or we become like the British Bobbies and not carry guns.

I see the need, but feel a LEO should be held accountable for every shot they fire. Just as I am.

Edit: alot of LEOs are not made of responsible gun handlers, but of guys looking for an excuse to discharge it, for man points in the precinct.) I do not see guns as a joke, some cops do, they see it as a tool to use, like a hammer.

But sometimes a wrench and some wd40 is better than brute forcing it. This case is one of them.

Also, no pepper spray or taser? One arm and one leg armed with a pen, and outnumbered by police? really?

Is this a Texas gunhappy NRA thing I am missing as a northern "lib" (pardon the curse word, liberal is worse than the f word)

I always took you guys for more sensible than most of us...

So where is this mans due process?

Jimbuna · 09-23-12, 03:54 PM

I am not a US citizen but one from the UK and I can only comment on the potential consequences should an identical situation happen in my country.

I'm sure you'll be well aware of the difference in opinions, attitudes and laws regarding firearms here in the UK....basically ALL hand guns and automatic weapons are banned since a series of gun killings over the last decade.

Whenever a firearm is discharged by a police officer, whether anyone is wounded or killed is immaterial, it is policy that an investigation is carried out by an independant authority....best practice IMHO but there you go, and it would appear our public are tolerant of the process.

Gargamel · 09-23-12, 03:54 PM

Jim and others in uniform will back me up in this, but officers are trained to escalate the required force necessary to control a situation. You do what you have to do.

If a man, wheelchair bound or not, comes at you with what you perceive to be a knife, you cannot let him get within arms reach. If a man draws a gun on you, you have to prevent him from shooting you.

09-23-12, 05:22 AM	#1
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Sounds tragic to me and it's interesting to see the same officer fatally shot someone in 2009. Having said that you really need to be in the same position to be able to make a judgement call. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-23-12, 11:16 AM	#2
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Tragic all the way around for everyone involved. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

09-23-12, 03:15 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Probably because I've never been shot and always on the right side of the gun (behind the trigger) __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-23-12, 03:24 PM	#7
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	I am simply saying we are a land of laws, and if someone with a tin badge is exempt from them (the ones expected to enforce the law, while allowing for due process under our constitution), then what justification does the private gun owner have to stop him from killing anyone he wants when he wants? We are a nation of laws, and the police mandate is to protect and serve, not kill and gloat. People wonder why we have so many gun maniacs, we learn from our authorities. They can do it, we pay them to do it, why can't we? I got an ar-15, a Taurus .380 and a glock 9. Enough to hold off a band of "Terrists" I never felt the urge. ( I am a wizard with the ar-15, I could paint a happy face on a paper target at 75 yards. Slightly crooked, but you know) But my fear is this will somehow be twisted into some anti-gun crap, or we become like the British Bobbies and not carry guns. I see the need, but feel a LEO should be held accountable for every shot they fire. Just as I am. Edit: alot of LEOs are not made of responsible gun handlers, but of guys looking for an excuse to discharge it, for man points in the precinct.) I do not see guns as a joke, some cops do, they see it as a tool to use, like a hammer. But sometimes a wrench and some wd40 is better than brute forcing it. This case is one of them. Also, no pepper spray or taser? One arm and one leg armed with a pen, and outnumbered by police? really? Is this a Texas gunhappy NRA thing I am missing as a northern "lib" (pardon the curse word, liberal is worse than the f word) I always took you guys for more sensible than most of us... So where is this mans due process? __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world. Last edited by soopaman2; 09-23-12 at 03:44 PM.

09-23-12, 03:54 PM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I am not a US citizen but one from the UK and I can only comment on the potential consequences should an identical situation happen in my country. I'm sure you'll be well aware of the difference in opinions, attitudes and laws regarding firearms here in the UK....basically ALL hand guns and automatic weapons are banned since a series of gun killings over the last decade. Whenever a firearm is discharged by a police officer, whether anyone is wounded or killed is immaterial, it is policy that an investigation is carried out by an independant authority....best practice IMHO but there you go, and it would appear our public are tolerant of the process. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-23-12, 03:54 PM	#9
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Jim and others in uniform will back me up in this, but officers are trained to escalate the required force necessary to control a situation. You do what you have to do. If a man, wheelchair bound or not, comes at you with what you perceive to be a knife, you cannot let him get within arms reach. If a man draws a gun on you, you have to prevent him from shooting you. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.