Schools out in Chicago

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Not necessarily. One can be consistently: off, wrong, or incorrect; depending on the context.

Right, wrong, consistency is still a admirable quality.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Right, wrong, consistency is still a admirable quality.

I'm gonna have to disagree. Ironically your painting a wide brush, saying consistancy is an admirable trait. Period. All encompassing. In this situation, my brush isn't so wide, because I'm saying consistency is not neccessarily an admirable trait. Not all encompassing, but implied that it is conditional depending on context. Say for example, your target shooting. If your shooting at a silhouette target, and your consistently off, and not hitting what you were aiming at, i fail to see how that would be admirable.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Not necessarily. One can be consistently: off, wrong, or incorrect; depending on the context.


Only because they are so outlandish and defy belief.



Should they? Im a bit torn on this. On one hand, he's our village idiot, and livens the place up. On the other hand, the attention his threads generate only encourages the posting of more

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I'm gonna have to disagree. Ironically your painting a wide brush, saying consistancy is an admirable trait. Period. All encompassing. In this situation, my brush isn't so wide, because I'm saying consistency is not neccessarily an admirable trait. Not all encompassing, but implied that it is conditional depending on context. Say for example, your target shooting. If your shooting at a silhouette target, and your consistently off, and not hitting what you were aiming at, i fail to see how that would be admirable.

If you consistently miss the target you would be considered a poor shot. Not the village idiot.

[Ducimus]

I will not be dissuaded at your attempt to side step the box you've painted yourself into because you weren't watching your choice of words !

You said, "Consistency is admirable."

I said, "Not necessarily. One can be consistently: off, wrong, or incorrect; depending on the context."

You said, "Right, wrong, consistency is still a admirable quality. "
What you said here, has implications, because It implies a binary choice. Right or wrong, left or right, hit or miss.

Then, i said, "I'm gonna have to disagree. Ironically your painting a wide brush, saying consistancy is an admirable trait. Period. All encompassing. In this situation, my brush isn't so wide, because I'm saying consistency is not neccessarily an admirable trait. Not all encompassing, but implied that it is conditional depending on context. Say for example, your target shooting. If your shooting at a silhouette target, and your consistently off, and not hitting what you were aiming at, i fail to see how that would be admirable"

Then you sidestepped the literary trap i laid before you by changing the topic of our conversation from consistency as an admirable trait, and the implied binary condition you unwittingly laid upon it, to..... Yubba.

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

So unlilke our the close minded crackpot that lives his life through a set of horse blinders that started this thread, id keep an open mind and ask, "well, just how expensive is it there in chicago?" before casting judgement on the people involved.

Good question.

According to figures from the U.S. Census, the average resident makes about $47,000 a year, while the average teacher gets paid $76,000 a year. (Union sources place the figure at around $71,000, which is still the second highest in the country.)

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/opinio...Top+Stories%29

[AVGWarhawk]

I will not be dissuaded at your attempt to side step the box you've painted yourself into because you weren't watching your choice of words !

No box. No side stepping. No painted into a corner. Just one guy.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

No box. No side stepping. No painted into a corner. Just one guy.

That in itself is a side step, (or rather, a dodge) because your not addressing the topic of consistency that we were discussing.
( Can you tell I'm having fun with this out of boredom? )




@August, well if their making that much, and are being overcompensated for the cost of living, then If i was to give a crap, they'd get the thumbs down from me.

[nikimcbee]

I had my moment of zen an hour ago. I realized where the problem is. I've had this discussion before.

It's the hourly vs salary debate. Teachers are salary, they get paid the same if they are working 10 hours a week or a 100 hours a week. Maybe they need to switch them over to hourly.

I guess the down side would be, that would really mess with the budget. Oh wait, the budget is already messed up.

We've had that debate before here at work. All of the engineers/managers are salary. They get worked like dogs and are on call 24/7 if there is a problem.

Everybody else is hourly, which can be very lucrative if you're willing to work.

[nikimcbee]

keeping the powder dry post.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

That in itself is a side step, (or rather, a dodge) because your not addressing the topic of consistency that we were discussing.
( Can you tell I'm having fun with this out of boredom? )

Yup. Many missing the forest for the trees.

[nikimcbee]

Say for example, your target shooting. If your shooting at a silhouette target, and your consistently off, and not hitting what you were aiming at, i fail to see how that would be admirable"

The the teacher's union fix is to spend more money on ammunition. If you can't hit the target, maybe you should get someone who can shoot, instead of giving them more money for ammo?

So let's say you have 2 sniper schools. Sniper school A can produce snipers for say $500, and the student can hit the target 9 outta 10 times.

Sniper school B can produce snipers forsay $5000, and their students can hit the target 3 outta 10 times.

Which school is better?

And since I gotta put Yubba in this, will Yubba eat the rounds?

[nikimcbee]

( Can you tell I'm having fun with this out of boredom? )

You could help with the PT-boat mod? You love to mod, right?

right?

Love to mod, right?

[Takeda Shingen]

The Bush administration tried to fix education through standardized testing. No Child Left Behind was a disaster, as it increased teacher workload with no appreciable gain in results. And the business model of productivity (best results for as little money) doesn't fly either. It is built on the principle that one can motivate those making the product through incentive. However, the product is the test score itself, and the test is taken by the student, whom you cannot fire. Anyone that has spent longer than 30 seconds in a classroom can tell you that there are just some students that don't want to do the work. In urban areas, where family support is less, the percentage of students with this mindset jumps exponentially. The teacher is then faced with an impossible task, regardless of ability.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I had my moment of zen an hour ago. I realized where the problem is. I've had this discussion before.

It's the hourly vs salary debate. :

Well, the thing is, nobody goes on salary unless its to the advantage of company. More work out of you, for less money. It's their way of getting out of paying you overtime. Salary = BOHICA

On the other side of the coin, I wish i was on salary. I'm responsible for certain tasks. If could knock out my daily tasks, i could take off for the rest of the day for the same pay. That would be freaking awesome. And of course, that will never happen. An hourly jobber like me on salary = Less work out of me for more money.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yup. Many missing the forest for the trees.

Well, i thought it was fun having a debate about nothing. All in good fun of course.

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

You could help with the PT-boat mod? You love to mod, right?

right?

Love to mod, right?

ummmm... How about.....


NO!


EDIT:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

The Bush administration tried to fix education through standardized testing. No Child Left Behind was a disaster, as it increased teacher workload with no appreciable gain in results.

I thought the No child act was a bunch of BS to begin with. Mainly because I personally don't think everyone is smart or intelligent. Not everyone is going to get a Bachlor's, Masters, or a Doctorate. Something people.. no not just people, parent's, can't come to terms with, is sometimes, some people are just going to grow up to have a job with their name on a shirt. Not all people are gifted equally. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try your hardest in academia, but come on now. Not everyone is going to go to college. Sometimes a vocational school, is the better route for an individual. In fact, i can think of a few trades that probably pay better then some 4 year degree's some folks have. If i could have a "do over" in life, id have tried harder in Algebra, and gotten into HVAC. Unfortunately for me, english and creative writing was what I was best at and not mathmatics.

[nikimcbee]

Taquita, quit whining about Bush. Just quit whining please.

Moving on.

Well, the thing is, nobody goes on salary unless its to the advantage of company. More work out of you, for less money. It's their way of getting out of paying you overtime. Salary = BOHICA

On the other side of the coin, I wish i was on salary. I'm responsible for certain tasks. If could knock out my daily tasks, i could take off for the rest of the day for the same pay. That would be freaking awesome. And of course, that will never happen. An hourly jobber like me on salary = Less work out of me for more money.

Granted the engineers/managers are making A LOT of money, the stress load isn't worth it (IMO). My dad is hourly (same company I'm at) and he made bank with all of his overtime. I believe for a few years, he was earning double what his base pay is.


oops, scrolled too fast and didn't see this:

ummmm... How about.....


NO!

C'mon, I'll buy you lunch.

You don't want to do a monster mod just for pt-boats?

Okay, I buy 2 lunches and a case of beer.