Schools out in Chicago

[yubba]

Schooooollllssss out for summer ???? schooolllsss out for ever,,, schoolllss out in chicago,,, teaaaa cccchhers on strike,...
What about the children ???? heartless union teachers what about, they do their fare share.

[1480]

It's Karen Lewis. Its not the teachers. They rejected a raise of 16% over 4 years. We rolled the dice with the arbitrator and got an average of 2%.

[nikimcbee]

I think they should make them pay the same percentage of their health benefits as the private sector average. That would probably save a lot of money right there.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by 1480

It's Karen Lewis. Its not the teachers. They rejected a raise of 16% over 4 years. We rolled the dice with the arbitrator and got an average of 2%.

Lewis is a real piece of work from the looks of it. I understand that the teachers are paid $75,000.00/year. That looks great on paper but what is the standard of living in the Chicago area? $75,000 in NY City gets you a parking spot for the year at your condo. Benefits are probably very good I would imagine.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I understand that the teachers are paid $75,000.00/year. That looks great on paper but what is the standard of living in the Chicago area? $75,000 in NY City gets you a parking spot for the year at your condo. Benefits are probably very good I would imagine.

Yeah, that is what's called, "Cost of Living". Something Yubba probably doesn't know about being from what I imagine is bumblehick "Floriduh."

It is a good question as to what the cost of living is in Chicago. Actually, cost of living is EVERYTHING. My wife for instance would get paid a lot more if she were to work in California, as opposed to what her employer offers working in Utah. However, the cost of living in California is so high, monetarily she'd be breaking even, and most likely would have a lower standard of living then she has in Utah. As for myself, my pay in California is peanuts. It's just enough to get by. Here in Utah, it's not bad pay at all, because the cost of living here is lower, so my standard of living is higher. The evidence is in the numbers. Our house here in Utah, at time of mortgage closing was just under 180. In california I'm guessing the same house would be valued at 300 or more.

So unlilke our the close minded crackpot that lives his life through a set of horse blinders that started this thread, id keep an open mind and ask, "well, just how expensive is it there in chicago?" before casting judgement on the people involved.

[AVGWarhawk]

I trust Emanuel about as far as I can throw him. I don't think for a second he is concerned with the teachers well being financially or otherwise. As for the OP, some unions in the past have been known to strong arm for more than what is commensurate with the work involved. I have seen unions close factory over demands resulting in no jobs for anyone. It is a mixed bag in some cases.

Somehow I see this as a ploy for BO to save the day and make this a campaign talking point. Another Beer Gate as it were.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I trust Emanuel about as far as I can throw him. I don't think for a second he is concerned with the teachers well being financially or otherwise.

I honestly don't know who Emanuel is, nor do I really care about that talking head, or the teacher strike in Chicago. Why would i care? It's not in my area, and it isn't my problem. People only care about this stuff if they have something to prove. Smacking Yubba's constant moronic idiocy with common sense and clear thinking is the only reason why I responded to this thread at all.

As for the OP, some unions in the past have been known to strong arm for more than what is commensurate with the work involved. I have seen unions close factory over demands resulting in no jobs for anyone. It is a mixed bag in some cases.

Yeah, unions are a mixed bag. They do some good, they do some bad. These days i think the probably do more harm then good, though historically, if it wasn't for unions, many of the things we have like a 30 min lunch and two 15 min breaks for an 8 hour shift wouldn't exist at all. So i'll give them that much, but nowadays, I wouldn't openly support unions unless employers were trying to bring us back to sweatshop conditions.

Somehow I see this as a ploy for BO to save the day and make this a campaign talking point. Another Beer Gate as it were.

Go go gadget conspiracy theory. I wonder if whatever intellectual disease yubba has is contagious.

[AVGWarhawk]

Go go gadget conspiracy theory. I wonder if whatever intellectual disease yubba has is contagious.

Rahm Emanual, BO right hand man for quite sometime. WH Chief of Staff. Oddly enough, the mayor of Chicago.

[nikimcbee]

sign, You're thinking of a blue collar union. This is the white collar public union. They are just a paracite as far as I'm concerned.
The teacher's union IS the problem. They need to reign these guys in.

Here's what will happen (I'll bet you a Dr. Pepper):

1. Union (teacher's) goes on strike
2. Public caves in, gives them what they want. (It's for the children)
3. Budget time rolls around. Guess what, we don't have enough money for anything (cuz it got sucked into the PERS pension-benefits blackhole)
4. repeat cycle as necessary.

We go throw this same smurfing cycle here. There's never enough money for the schools, because the PERS pensions suck up all of the money, so the actual school doesn't get any money. They raise taxes, then turn around and say they don't have enough money. Go to the admin offices and you'll see where your tax dollars are going.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Go go gadget conspiracy theory. I wonder if whatever intellectual disease yubba has is contagious.

You can laugh all you want, it's Chicago; they're known for their corruption.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Rahm Emanual, BO right hand man for quite sometime. WH Chief of Staff. Oddly enough, the mayor of Chicago.

And Chicago was the place of birth and formal education for Shel Sliverstien, who wrote 25 Minutes to Go for Johnny Cash and who, in turn, was first asked to perform in the White House in 1970 by none other than one Richard Milhouse Nixon, who ordered the coverup of the Watergate break-in. Therefore, the striking teachers are linked with the Watergate Scandal.

The entire demonization of teachers was among the primary reasons that I, a one-time right wing idealogue, began to feel alienation from the Republican Party.



While the image is made to be humorous, it is also the truth. The GOP feels that teachers are overpaid. They hate their union membership. And the anti-intellectualism of the Republican Party is staunchly critical of anyone that has too much "learnin'", which is exactly why their disdain does not stop with K-12 education.

[CCIP]

Thanks Tak, I was going to post something along these lines.

It's kind of funny, but both this and the CEO thread (which should be ideologically opposite) have really irked me because people throw politicized stereotypes back and forth instead of looking at the issues. It sickens me just how divisive rhetoric on these things has gotten

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

[Poster]

That's the first time I have ever seen anywhere someone saying the teachers are over paid. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so seriously absurd.

I mean, the old silly lines like "too long holidays", "short days [because obviously the teachers just teach in the class room and then leave home without ever doing anything else]" and "anyone could do that anyway" I can somehow understand but...

over...
paid...

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

That's the first time I have ever seen anywhere someone saying the teachers are over paid. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so seriously absurd.

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...hers+underpaid

That's probably because those overpaid teachers have too much time to google during their 13 months vacation per year.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

And Chicago was the place of birth and formal education for Shel Sliverstien, who wrote 25 Minutes to Go for Johnny Cash and who, in turn, was first asked to perform in the White House in 1970 by none other than one Richard Milhouse Nixon, who ordered the coverup of the Watergate break-in. Therefore, the striking teachers are linked with the Watergate Scandal.

The entire demonization of teachers was among the primary reasons that I, a one-time right wing idealogue, began to feel alienation from the Republican Party.



While the image is made to be humorous, it is also the truth. The GOP feels that teachers are overpaid. They hate their union membership. And the anti-intellectualism of the Republican Party is staunchly critical of anyone that has too much "learnin'", which is exactly why their disdain does not stop with K-12 education.

Overgeneralizing that the GOP believes teachers are overpaid. This issue with unions and added bonus of this teachers union needs to be put to bed quickly for the Dems campaign. Does Emanuel really want to offer a talking point, in bad light, to the GOP?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...esident-obama/

* It's Chicago: Yes, we know that President Obama has no role ; either way in the strike. But, that the strike is happening in Chicago, the town where President Obama made his political name doesn;t help him. And that the current Chicago mayor, Rahm Emanuel, was Obamas first presidential chief of staff isn;t much help either. Remember that Republicans are doing everything they can to link Obama to Chicago and Chicago-style politics ***8212; thinking that it will turn off independents in the middle of the country. That the teachers strike will be at (or close to) the top of every evening news show until it ends allows Republicans a daily news peg to remind people that Obama is from the Windy City.
* Labor, distracted: Organized labor has experienced a series of major setbacks over the past few years ; from losing a Democratic primary challenge to Sen. Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) in 2010 to coming up well short against Gov. Scott Walker in the 2012 recall race. Those losses make it very difficult for labor;s credibility to weather ANOTHER high profile defeat in Chicago. If labor loses this fight it may be a sort of death blow to its longstanding image as the big bully (in a good way) in politics. With stakes that high, the showdown in Chicago is going to be a top-of-the-mind issue for labor strategists and allies until it;s resolved. And that means that labor;s attention is divided, which isn;t a good thing for the Obama campaign who need unions; full attention this fall.
Rahm, distracted: Less than a week ago, my colleague Peter Wallsten reported that Rahm was taking over the fundraising effort for Priorities USA Action, the leading Democratic super PAC that has struggled so far to come close to matching the financial might of its conservative rivals. While we know Rahm is a gifted multi-tasker, it;s hard to imagine that with the biggest and most consequential fight of his mayorship now joined that he is going to find much time to court the massive donors the party needs to write massive checks as soon as possible. If the strike gets itself resolved in short order, this likely won;t be a major issue but if it drags on, the political calendar starts to become Democrats enemy. In order to make a difference, you need the money in the bank sooner rather than later so it can be effectively spent.