He's a Muslim He's not a Muslim

[Bubblehead1980]

The OP asked why does it matter? Hmm perhaps because Islam is in direct contradiction of the US Constitution and our basic cultural beliefs.The global interests of the US are not always(if ever) in line with the interests of the Islamic world, thus the clash of civilizations.Having the most powerful person in the world following a faith that is in direct contradiction of our countries history, law, culture, and interests is a threat to our country.

I do not believe Obama is a muslim(believe he is an atheist myself but uses religion as a tool) but he does have "muslim sympathies" due to his father being a muslim as well as spending some of his formative years in Indonesia, a muslim country.These sympathies apparently come to light in his behavior and attitude towards Israel as well as other remarks he has made, such as apology tour after his inauguration.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Having the most powerful person in the world following a faith that is in direct contradiction of our countries history, law, culture, and interests is a threat to our country.

So I presume you won't vote for Romney?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Penguin

So I presume you won't vote for Romney?

No, I will.I believe Romney is more a cultural mormon than anything.I find all religions to be silly but some are certainly more of a threat than others, islam is one of them.I would not vote for Romney if I thought he was a real, hardcore Mormon but his life shows, from what I can tell, he is a reasonable man.I did not support him in the primary but I am okay with him as president, at least he understands basic, real world economics, unlike the current occupant of the white house or his cronies.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I believe Romney is more a cultural moron than anything.

Oh, I believe that too!
However according to the WSJ, one in 4 Americans have concerns regarding a Mormon President. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...022741022.html) - more than would have concerns with a black or a female President.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I find all religions to be silly but some are certainly more of a threat than others, islam is one of them.I would not vote for Romney if I thought he was a real, hardcore Mormon but his life shows, from what I can tell, he is a reasonable man.I did not support him in the primary but I am okay with him as president, at least he understands basic, real world economics, unlike the current occupant of the white house or his cronies.

What's strange is that someone can be a cultural Mormon or Christian, but apparently not a cultural Muslim, as if there are no non-fundamental interpretations. You don't expect most Christians to kill their neighbor who works on the 7th day, but expect any Muslim to take the quran literally?
Even if Obama was a Muslim, as soon as he would put his faith before the Constitution, he would have broken his oath and could be sawed off.

Maybe we could also take a look at the older Bush, who said that atheists can be neither patriots nor citizens... (http://www.robsherman.com/advocacy/060401a.htm) Sounds like he let his faith dictate his judgements and discriminates against the free exercise of no religion.


Regarding real life economics: Well, at least Romney knows real world loopholes that allow him to dodge taxes. How Romney's Millions Went Tax-Free Overseas
I see a conflict of interests here: Closing those loopholes would be in the best interest of Uncle Sam, but not in his personal interest.

[Blacklight]

Franky, it saddens me that a person can't get elected president in this country without being "religious" to a certain extent. An atheist, for instance, would NEVER be able to be elected in this country. A person's religion shouldn't even be coming into this debate. This country is built on the concept of "freedom of religion". There is also supposed to be a separation of church and state that the Religious Right seem to have forgotten.
I don't understand why it would be such a controversy and so horrible if someone who just happened to be of another religion aside from "Christian" or no religion at all were elected. To a certain HUGE demographic, it would be the end of civilization as we know it.
And what the far Right is doing to the Muslims is just plain wrong. All they're doing is adding to the fire that Joe Redneck who doesn't exist outside his own little protected world is kindling over his fear of anything not completely familiar to him in his closed little world.

[eddie]

When Rep. Keith Ellison from Minnesota was sworn in, instead of having his hand on the Bible, he used a very historic copy of the Koran. You know who it originally belonged to? It was none other then Thomas Jefferson,lol

Ellison's district is mainly made up of Christian"s too! That district includes Minneapolis!

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by eddie

When Rep. Keith Ellison from Minnesota was sworn in, instead of having his hand on the Bible, he used a very historic copy of the Koran. You know who it originally belonged to? It was none other then Thomas Jefferson,lol

Ellison's district is mainly made up of Christian"s too! That district includes Minneapolis!

I have heard Ellision speak a few times, he needs to be voted out, he is a dangerous fool.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Blacklight

Franky, it saddens me that a person can't get elected president in this country without being "religious" to a certain extent. An atheist, for instance, would NEVER be able to be elected in this country. A person's religion shouldn't even be coming into this debate. This country is built on the concept of "freedom of religion". There is also supposed to be a separation of church and state that the Religious Right seem to have forgotten.
I don't understand why it would be such a controversy and so horrible if someone who just happened to be of another religion aside from "Christian" or no religion at all were elected. To a certain HUGE demographic, it would be the end of civilization as we know it.
And what the far Right is doing to the Muslims is just plain wrong. All they're doing is adding to the fire that Joe Redneck who doesn't exist outside his own little protected world is kindling over his fear of anything not completely familiar to him in his closed little world.

By intention of the founding fathers and the historic documents they authored, the US is a great design and a noble vision. But it got hijacked, namely by big business, and by religious zealots. It's like having blood and bone cancer at the same time. It destroys from within.