Greetings from RNC - Page 2

HunterICX · 08-29-12, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I'm not impressed by either party you got over there, both look like a bunch of muppets. Mind you we're no better here in the UK, so how is the rest of the world?

Pretty much of the same garbage.

HunterICX

Bilge_Rat · 08-29-12, 11:00 AM

In Quebec, we will have a provincial election on sept. 4.

The choices are:

1. Parti Québécois: social-democratic (communists by U.S. standards), want Quebec to separate from Canada, want to raise taxes on the "rich";

2. Liberal Party: current government, conservative (communists by U.S. standards), but have been caught up in all sorts of financial/corruption scandals;

3. Coalition Avenir-Quebec: more conservative than liberals (still communists by U.S. standards), but brand new/inexperienced. Leader is a former PQ minister who has been wishy-washy on where he stands on Quebec independence.

In other words, here as everywhere else, it is a case of voting for the lesser of three evils.

soopaman2 · 08-29-12, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I'm not impressed by either party you got over there, both look like a bunch of muppets. Mind you we're no better here in the UK, so how is the rest of the world?

Yeppers!

On a side note, is a yank allowed to call people muppets (I always got a lul from that term) too? I keep thinking of Kermit the frog, and Fozzie bear , and it seems awkward.

We usually just call our politicians...

Uh never mind.

Ducimus · 08-29-12, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by August

I'm sorry to tell you but your parties planks on abortion and medicare have sunk your candidate. No way will Americans vote for a candidate who is going to ban abortions with no exceptions. No way will Americans support a voucher based medicare system.

I'm a pretty conservative guy but while I may not be able to bring myself to vote for Democrat Bolshevik wannabees I'm not giving Romney the nod either.

Are you serious?

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Originally Posted by Armistead

All the strong abortion talk is just to secure the fundy base, but it is scary that Ryan believes a raped woman should be forced to carry it.

That is just wrong on so many levels. Oh and apparently a rapist can sue for custody too.

Makes me ask, "WTF?"

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It's a shame that someone can't vote for fiscal conservatism without getting hardcore extremist Christianity mixed into the deal. Once the GOP made God, guns and gays their centerpiece, they lost a lot of people.

Personally, I don't mind guns, but I don't like God and Guns mixed together. As for Gays, while i dont agree with the "lifestyle", they are entitled to the pursuit of happiness, so i say leave em alone. As for Christian fundies, they are one reason (of several) why i shy away from the right wing now. I DO NOT like religious ramrodding, and team R is loaded with evangelicals now. The republican party of today, is not the republican party of yesterday.

August · 08-29-12, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

A side-question: Can you tell a little about Romneycare in your state? Has it been an improvement for you and others in your state, an how about the costs in comparision to before?

It's not really an improvement at least to anyone who has to pay for it.

While coverage has increased significantly the quality of health care has remained unchanged and in spite of being billed as an antidote to run away health care costs, the price of insurance premiums have jumped 5-10% every year since Romneycare was enacted, way above the national inflation rate.

August · 08-29-12, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Are you serious?

Yep I sure am. All they had to do is keep their noses out of social issues but they had to pander to the religious right and I think it's gonna cost them the election. At this moment the best scenario I see for the country is that Obama wins reelection as a lame duck and the Senate goes to the GoP (and the House doesn't change).

God help us all if one party (or the other) gets control of both Congress and the Oval office.

Oberon · 08-29-12, 11:49 AM

What worries me the most about having a Republican Senate and a Democrat Oval Office (or vice versa) is that both sides have shown themselves willing to put political points ahead of co-operation for what's best for the nation.
So, if the economic crisis deepens, will the government be able to take any steps to combat it? Or will it be spun between left and right until its too late?

Ducimus · 08-29-12, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

What worries me the most about having a Republican Senate and a Democrat Oval Office (or vice versa) is that both sides have shown themselves willing to put political points ahead of co-operation for what's best for the nation.
So, if the economic crisis deepens, will the government be able to take any steps to combat it? Or will it be spun between left and right until its too late?

That's what worries me. Both parties are poloraized. Compromise, a word that in my opinion is the very core of statecraft, is now considered weakness. I fear our country will crumble into ruins all around us, and both parties will still be standing there, pointing fingers at each other, with neither having done anything to prevent it.

eddie · 08-29-12, 12:11 PM

Co-operation is not a word that is used by anyone in our Congress. If something goes wrong, they just blame each other. That's why they have set a new record low in the opinion of the American people. No one thinks they are worth anything.

Betonov · 08-29-12, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie

Co-operation is not a word that is used by anyone in our Congress/Parliament/Sabor. If something goes wrong, they just blame each other. That's why they have set a new record low in the opinion of the American/British/German/Slovene/Croat people. No one thinks they are worth anything.

Fixed

One could also expand the list to infinity

eddie · 08-29-12, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Fixed

One could also expand the list to infinity

soopaman2 · 08-29-12, 12:42 PM

It is called divide and conquer.

If we are too busy attacking each other, we won't be able to attack the real problems.

1.Create an idealogical divide in the citizenry.
2.stoke the fire a bit.
3.Turn the citizens on each other.
4. Rob the country blind while the proles fight.
5. ?????
6. PROFIT

If this was 200 years ago, we would have overthrown these over the top corrupt shmucks. But we seemed to have lost our testicles. The modern politician almost rubs it in your face how dirty they are...

STEED · 08-29-12, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

It is called divide and conquer.

If we are too busy attacking each other, we won't be able to attack the real problems.

1.Create an idealogical divide in the citizenry.
2.stoke the fire a bit.
3.Turn the citizens on each other.
4. Rob the country blind while the proles fight.
5. ?????
6. PROFIT

If this was 200 years ago, we would have overthrown these over the top corrupt shmucks. But we seemed to have lost our testicles. The modern politician almost rubs it in your face how dirty they are...

August · 08-29-12, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

That's what worries me. Both parties are poloraized. Compromise, a word that in my opinion is the very core of statecraft, is now considered weakness. I fear our country will crumble into ruins all around us, and both parties will still be standing there, pointing fingers at each other, with neither having done anything to prevent it.

On the other hand if either party controls the entire enchilada you get runaway spending and gobs of social engineering.

I'd much rather have the gridlock.

Ducimus · 08-29-12, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by August

On the other hand if either party controls the entire enchilada you get runaway spending and gobs of social engineering.

I'd much rather have the gridlock.

That also is true. Mind you, i'm not excited about the prospect of one party, or the other being in total control. However, one could argue, that if one party got the whole enchilada, at least something would be done. The way things are going this day and age, Something, anything, is better then nothing.

Now, I don't wish for any one party to have total control, what I do wish, is this extreme left or right BS stop. All the hyperbole, jingoism, and rhetoric. It ALL needs to stop. I think that would be the first step away from polarism, and more towards the middle of the road where we need to be. Everyone, left, or right, needs to get off this "my way or the highway" kick and start meeting their fellow countrymen in the middle.
(edit: but sad to say, I don't think that will ever happen. If I was to jump on the "doomsday prepping" bandwagon, governmental and financial collapse would be my rational. )

08-29-12, 11:00 AM	#17
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	In Quebec, we will have a provincial election on sept. 4. The choices are: 1. Parti Québécois: social-democratic (communists by U.S. standards), want Quebec to separate from Canada, want to raise taxes on the "rich"; 2. Liberal Party: current government, conservative (communists by U.S. standards), but have been caught up in all sorts of financial/corruption scandals; 3. Coalition Avenir-Quebec: more conservative than liberals (still communists by U.S. standards), but brand new/inexperienced. Leader is a former PQ minister who has been wishy-washy on where he stands on Quebec independence. In other words, here as everywhere else, it is a case of voting for the lesser of three evils. __________________ Last edited by Bilge_Rat; 08-29-12 at 11:14 AM.

08-29-12, 12:11 PM	#24
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Co-operation is not a word that is used by anyone in our Congress. If something goes wrong, they just blame each other. That's why they have set a new record low in the opinion of the American people. No one thinks they are worth anything. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

08-29-12, 12:42 PM	#27
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	It is called divide and conquer. If we are too busy attacking each other, we won't be able to attack the real problems. 1.Create an idealogical divide in the citizenry. 2.stoke the fire a bit. 3.Turn the citizens on each other. 4. Rob the country blind while the proles fight. 5. ????? 6. PROFIT If this was 200 years ago, we would have overthrown these over the top corrupt shmucks. But we seemed to have lost our testicles. The modern politician almost rubs it in your face how dirty they are... __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

08-29-12, 11:49 AM	#22
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	What worries me the most about having a Republican Senate and a Democrat Oval Office (or vice versa) is that both sides have shown themselves willing to put political points ahead of co-operation for what's best for the nation. So, if the economic crisis deepens, will the government be able to take any steps to combat it? Or will it be spun between left and right until its too late?