Recommended mods for 100% realism.

[sixcoins]

Here I am again...

So my goal is to be able to get the most out of this game by playing at 100% realism. (someday)..

I was hoping someone might have any info on anything I should consider modding to achieve that ...

I am using that commander mod, but Is there anything else that I should be thinking about?

I've looked through/at many mods, but I don't know enough about the game to determine if I need them or not.... or if they would be 'better'...

Perhaps one or two of you may have some advice for me?

Something like... your stock hydrophone doesn't quite work properly.. .get suchandsuch mod for it...

Any info would be helpful, indeed.

Thanks again,

Six.

[Maceaciadh]

i would say GWX coupled with the HSIE hardcore mod is as close as you will ever get to the full realism. i will look for the links now and edit them in so you can go to them. they are both incredibly detailed and can take some time to get up and running so its all about how determined you are. i only have GWX and and liking it so far but for the hardcore mod you have to DIY. the instructions are all there but it will take you a while

GWX - http://www.thegreywolves.com/

HSIE's hardcore mod - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=174225

[Sailor Steve]

SH3 Commander won't add to the way things work or look, but it will do for your career what supermods do for gameplay and looks. It is the most valuable asset you can have.

I'm also biased, but I would recommend the Das Boot Sound Mod.

[sublynx]

If you use manual targeting I would change the gui as well. Vanilla SH3 and GWX targeting pushes you to use the manual recognition book as a requirement for range finding. You can bypass this, but I think a GUI mod makes this a lot more fluent and realistic-feeling. Trying OLC, MaGui F, Hitman Beta Gui for example might be worth your time.

[Platapus]

Please keep in mind that difficulty does not mean realism.

Rockin Robins had an excellent post, I hope he copies here, about how playing with contacts off makes the game more difficult, but not necessarily more realistic.

It is impossible for any computer submarine game to simulate the actions of the entire crew. While command may be lonely, the submarine captain had not only well trained crews but also other electro/mechanical aids for the crew to use.

This is my number one complaint about submarine simulators like the SH series (and every other subsim out there). The player is forced into one of two unrealistic extreme positions

1. Varuna mode - where the player is given all the information with absolute precision.

2. Hermit mode - where the player is the only person on the submarine and has to do everything a crew had to do but by him/herself in the same time.

Both are equally unrealistic. Playing in Hermit mode is certainly more difficult. But is as unrealistic as Varuna mode.

So play the game at the difficulty that entertains you (its a game after all). But don't worry too much about realism as there ain't that much.

[Maceaciadh]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Please keep in mind that difficulty does not mean realism.

Rockin Robins had an excellent post, I hope he copies here, about how playing with contacts off makes the game more difficult, but not necessarily more realistic.

It is impossible for any computer submarine game to simulate the actions of the entire crew. While command may be lonely, the submarine captain had not only well trained crews but also other electro/mechanical aids for the crew to use.

This is my number one complaint about submarine simulators like the SH series (and every other subsim out there). The player is forced into one of two unrealistic extreme positions

1. Varuna mode - where the player is given all the information with absolute precision.

2. Hermit mode - where the player is the only person on the submarine and has to do everything a crew had to do but by him/herself in the same time.

Both are equally unrealistic. Playing in Hermit mode is certainly more difficult. But is as unrealistic as Varuna mode.

So play the game at the difficulty that entertains you (its a game after all). But don't worry too much about realism as there ain't that much.

you say not much realism but really there is an answer to every problem that this game or indeed any game may have. it just depends if you are bothered or not to fix it yourself like alot of people out there have.

throw me several problems and i shall point out a simple way to improve the realism(FYI i am not a modder but reading some of the others guys stuff i wouldn't be surprised if they could turn SH3 into Xplane 9 )

here is a simple one. people have mentioned that auto aim is too accurate and manual requires you calculate everything yourself. so just build in a 5% inaccuracy to auto aim and just take your measurements and wait 30 seconds for you weapons officer works it out(im guessing he is the one who works it out)

i have huge respect for the people who make this game better and better every day.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Maceaciadh

here is a simple one. people have mentioned that auto aim is too accurate and manual requires you calculate everything yourself. so just build in a 5% inaccuracy to auto aim and just take your measurements and wait 30 seconds for you weapons officer works it out(im guessing he is the one who works it out)

I suggested something similar several years ago. Simple in theory, but how simple is it to execute in the game? Can it be done without rewriting the source code, which is illegal? That's the real problem.

[Maceaciadh]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I suggested something similar several years ago. Simple in theory, but how simple is it to execute in the game? Can it be done without rewriting the source code, which is illegal? That's the real problem.

is it not legal if you do it yourself but don't share it? i thought HSIE edited his source code but rather than sharing it he told you how to DIY so you become the legal owner of the software or something

[Sailor Steve]

If you do something for yourself it's technically still illegal, but who is going to know? That's why they have the warnings on DVDs. But no, I was refering to creating a mod to share, which from your description sounded like what you had in mind.

[sublynx]

Originally Posted by Maceaciadh

here is a simple one. people have mentioned that auto aim is too accurate and manual requires you calculate everything yourself. so just build in a 5% inaccuracy to auto aim and just take your measurements and wait 30 seconds for you weapons officer works it out(im guessing he is the one who works it out)

Nice idea. One does not even need a mod for that. A dice throw or two is enough to make the results more random.

[Mittelwaechter]

More realism?

Prepare for a five day trip back to your homeport.
Get you a few buckets, an inflatable kids basin, a washing machine, a sleeping bag, two sets of clothing, a garden hose, a piece of soap, an alarm clock, your binoculars, enough salt and a sewing box.
Now move down into your basement and ask someone to "support" you for five days. Your better half will be pleased, I guess.
Fill a bucket with diesel oil, several buckets with fresh water and use one of your buckets to answer natures call. Have a lid for this one
You may want to use a camping bed to drop the sleeping bag on, place it next to the washing machine.
Prepare the cold food for your basement trip and store as much as possible next to the bucket with the diesel in it.
Cook coffee for five days and reheat it whenever in the mood for it.
Seal the basement from daylight and fresh air, but have one small window to climb out into the garden. Keep it open while "surfaced"!
All five and a half hours climb through the window out, enter the saltwater filled kids basin - fully clothed of course - and read the daily newspaper ten meters away through your binoculars.
Ask your support to pour a bucket of saltwater over your head - according to the simulated weather conditions several times if necessary.
After half an hour climb back into your basement. You may want to change your clothing now.
Start the washing machine and get you some sleep. Make sure to set the alarm clock all two hours to restart the washing machine.
By the way - don't wash any of your clothes in the washing machine. It simulates your starbord diesel engine. Use a bucket and some soap instead.
After five and a half hours get back into your conning basin and read on for half an hour. Take a fresh saltwater shower and come back into your basement.
You may want to change back into your second set of clothing right now before breakfast. Have some sausages, sauerkraut and bread and as much reheated coffee as you want.
Now pour some diesel on the floor next top your bed and try to put it back into the bucket. Clean the floor with some water and soap.
Ask your "support" to connect your cars exhaust pipe with the garden tube and lead the exhaust into your basement for a few minutes (careful here - too much carbon monoxide will kill you! Don't overdo it!). Keep the little window open.
Your job aboard is to check the washing machine and to keep it functional. Disconnect all internal tubes and clean them from any washing powder remains.
Have some food, but pour a bit salt into your coffee today - just enough to taste it destinctivly.
Now you are off duty for four hours. Have some fun inside your basement.
Time to climb your conning basin again, mate. Remember the saltwater shower. Drink half a liter of saltwater to keep the realism feeling up.
After half an hour go back into your basement and get some sleep. Your washing machine should be active as described above.
Time for some personal hygiene. Bucket, water soap - you know it. You may want to wash some clothes in the soapy water too.
Cut off all your buttons and resew them with the sewing set.
Conning basin duty right now, mate.
Intense inspection of the washing machine.
Put one hand into the bucket with diesel oil and clean it with cold water and soap.
Dinner, coffee and time to relax.
Conning basin duty...
Have some sleep next to your running washing machine...

Keep your routine for five days until you reach your homeport. You may want to have your computer running the game at TC 1. Make it a calm trip without any hostile contact.

[Jimbuna]

^

[Maceaciadh]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

More realism?

Prepare for a five day trip back to your homeport.
Get you a few buckets, an inflatable kids basin, a washing machine, a sleeping bag, two sets of clothing, a garden hose, a piece of soap, an alarm clock, your binoculars, enough salt and a sewing box.
Now move down into your basement and ask someone to "support" you for ten days. Your better half will be pleased, I guess.
Fill a bucket with diesel oil, several buckets with fresh water and use one of your buckets to pe.e and sh!t in. Have a lid for this one
You may want to use a camping bed to drop the sleeping bag on, place it next to the washing machine.
Prepare the cold food for your basement trip and store as much as possible next to the bucket with the diesel in it.
Cook coffee for five days and reheat it whenever in the mood for it.
Seal the basement from daylight and fresh air, but have one small window to climb out into the garden. Keep it open while "surfaced"!
All five and a half hours climb through the window out, enter the saltwater filled kids basin - fully clothed of course - and read the daily newspaper ten meters away through your binoculars.
Ask your support to pour a bucket of saltwater over your head - according to the simulated weather conditions several times if necessary.
After half an hour climb back into your basement. You may want to change your clothing now.
Start the washing machine and get you some sleep. Make sure to set the alarm clock all two hours to restart the washing machine.
By the way - don't wash any of your clothes in the washing machine. It simulates your starbord diesel engine. Use a bucket and some soap instead.
After five and a half hours get back into your conning basin and read on for half an hour. Take a fresh saltwater shower and come back into your basement.
You may want to change back into your second set of clothing right now before breakfast. Have some sausages, sauerkraut and bread and as much reheated coffee as you want.
Now pour some diesel on the floor next top your bed and try to put it back into the bucket. Clean the floor with some water and soap.
Ask your "support" to connect your cars exhaust pipe with the garden tube and lead the exhaust into your basement for a few minutes. Keep the little window open.
Your job aboard is to check the washing machine and to keep it functional. Disconnect all internal tubes and clean them from any washing powder remains.
Have some food, but pour a bit salt into your coffee today - just enough to taste it destinctivly.
Now you are off duty for four hours. Have some fun inside your basement.
Time to climb your conning basin again, mate. Remember the saltwater shower. Drink half a liter of saltwater to keep the realism feeling up.
After half an hour go back into your basement and get some sleep. Your washing machine should be active as described above.
Time for some personal hygiene. Bucket, water soap - you know it. You may want to wash some clothes in the soapy water too.
Cut off all your buttons and resew them with the sewing set.
Conning basin duty right now, mate.
Intense inspection of the washing machine.
Put one hand into the bucket with diesel oil and clean it with cold water and soap.
Dinner, coffee and time to relax.
Conning basin duty...
Have some sleep next to your running washing machine...

Keep your routine for five days until you reach your homeport. You may want to have your computer running the game at TC 1. Make it a calm trip without any hostile contact.

lol what. i am a student so i have to time but not the money (or basement) to that but its sounds fun(apart from the suicidal but)! maybe get some of your SH3 buddies down there as well with some makeshift alcohol

[Red Heat]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

More realism?

Prepare for a five day trip back to your homeport.
Get you a few buckets, an inflatable kids basin, a washing machine, a sleeping bag, two sets of clothing, a garden hose, a piece of soap, an alarm clock, your binoculars, enough salt and a sewing box.
Now move down into your basement and ask someone to "support" you for ten days. Your better half will be pleased, I guess.
Fill a bucket with diesel oil, several buckets with fresh water and use one of your buckets to pe.e and sh!t in. Have a lid for this one
You may want to use a camping bed to drop the sleeping bag on, place it next to the washing machine.
Prepare the cold food for your basement trip and store as much as possible next to the bucket with the diesel in it.
Cook coffee for five days and reheat it whenever in the mood for it.
Seal the basement from daylight and fresh air, but have one small window to climb out into the garden. Keep it open while "surfaced"!
All five and a half hours climb through the window out, enter the saltwater filled kids basin - fully clothed of course - and read the daily newspaper ten meters away through your binoculars.
Ask your support to pour a bucket of saltwater over your head - according to the simulated weather conditions several times if necessary.
After half an hour climb back into your basement. You may want to change your clothing now.
Start the washing machine and get you some sleep. Make sure to set the alarm clock all two hours to restart the washing machine.
By the way - don't wash any of your clothes in the washing machine. It simulates your starbord diesel engine. Use a bucket and some soap instead.
After five and a half hours get back into your conning basin and read on for half an hour. Take a fresh saltwater shower and come back into your basement.
You may want to change back into your second set of clothing right now before breakfast. Have some sausages, sauerkraut and bread and as much reheated coffee as you want.
Now pour some diesel on the floor next top your bed and try to put it back into the bucket. Clean the floor with some water and soap.
Ask your "support" to connect your cars exhaust pipe with the garden tube and lead the exhaust into your basement for a few minutes. Keep the little window open.
Your job aboard is to check the washing machine and to keep it functional. Disconnect all internal tubes and clean them from any washing powder remains.
Have some food, but pour a bit salt into your coffee today - just enough to taste it destinctivly.
Now you are off duty for four hours. Have some fun inside your basement.
Time to climb your conning basin again, mate. Remember the saltwater shower. Drink half a liter of saltwater to keep the realism feeling up.
After half an hour go back into your basement and get some sleep. Your washing machine should be active as described above.
Time for some personal hygiene. Bucket, water soap - you know it. You may want to wash some clothes in the soapy water too.
Cut off all your buttons and resew them with the sewing set.
Conning basin duty right now, mate.
Intense inspection of the washing machine.
Put one hand into the bucket with diesel oil and clean it with cold water and soap.
Dinner, coffee and time to relax.
Conning basin duty...
Have some sleep next to your running washing machine...

Keep your routine for five days until you reach your homeport. You may want to have your computer running the game at TC 1. Make it a calm trip without any hostile contact.

[Sailor Steve]

Agreed it's funny, but did you both really have to quote the entire post (or any of it) just to make a short comment? It might have been necessary had there been other comments on another subject in between, but where weren't.