What Microsoft Flight can teach us about Silent Hunter online.

Julhelm · 08-23-12, 03:56 AM

SH5? Cliffs of Dover? Ghost Recon Future Soldier? AssCreed 3? Far Cry 3? Those games are as hardcore as they come.

StarTrekMike · 08-23-12, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Julhelm

SH5? Cliffs of Dover? Ghost Recon Future Soldier? AssCreed 3? Far Cry 3? Those games are as hardcore as they come.

SH5 was released and then swiftly abandoned, almost like they were keen to make it and than just kinda lost interest half way through (don't get me wrong, I love the game but only after extensive modding).

Cliffs of Dover was rushed out the door by Ubi, even though Maddox was not even close to being done with it, again, it seems like Ubi was just kinda done making games like that and wanted to clear out the remaining loose ends.

Ghost recon future soldier was a joke, it was a spit on the face to any fan that has stuck with the franchise since the beginning, it is a arcade shooter for the casual market at best and probably will be dropped in favor of Ghost Recon online.

Assassins creed 3, well, that will hopefully be a good game but it was never hardcore in the same way a subsim or a flight sim is hardcore, it is built for a diverse market and while it is a very good franchise, it is not very complicated and pretty easy to make once you have all the tools nailed down.

Far cry 3 looks like another shooter, I mean, it looks good but it is just another shooter.

Ubisoft has spoken at length about how it has all but abandoned conventional games and now is going to move to service based gaming (F2P style internet games).

I would not expect Ubisoft to invest the needed man hours and research that is needed to make a good, solid simulator, it is a difficult genre for them to stay in because they are simply not willing to produce products that have the level of quality that we all expect, SHO is a good indication that they are just telling us to move on and forget about any future Silent Hunter title that lives up to it's name.

Sorry for being so negative but that is how it looks on my end.

The_Pharoah · 08-23-12, 07:57 PM

Mike...you're just telling it like it is.

StarTrekMike · 08-24-12, 12:21 AM

It really is a shame, I had hopes that Ubisoft would at least take one more solid pass at the Silent Hunter franchise, possibly release something like SH4 but with the SH5 level of graphic fidelity (say what you will about "graphics meaning nothing", SH5 is a great looking game and that adds to the immersion).

I hope that once SHO fails (and it will, lets not lie to ourselves), Ubisoft does the right thing and releases the franchise to another developer that is more willing to put the time and effort into it and give us a great new addition to the franchise.

Honestly, I don't even know why Ubisoft still bothers to hold the copyright, it seems that many companies would rather just sit on a franchise and keep it dead than let a more willing company take over and produce something for the market they clearly have no interest in.

SH4 and SH5 are always going to be my go-to WWII subsims, I don't see SHO fitting into that at all, the lack of proper free-roaming (navigation means nothing now), the lack of a proper deck view (that we have seen, though they say it is there in a interview), the reliance on online play and what will probably be just another micro-transaction money grab will keep me away like the plague.

The microtransaction based F2P model works well for some games but not all, some users don't want to get nickel and dimed for a mere browser game.

TorpX · 08-27-12, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by StarTrekMike

I hope that once SHO fails (and it will, lets not lie to ourselves), Ubisoft does the right thing and releases the franchise to another developer that is more willing to put the time and effort into it and give us a great new addition to the franchise.

Honestly, I don't even know why Ubisoft still bothers to hold the copyright, it seems that many companies would rather just sit on a franchise and keep it dead than let a more willing company take over and produce something for the market they clearly have no interest in.

This is my thinking. We have a better chance of getting a good subsim from some new outfit than from Ubisoft.

Julhelm · 08-28-12, 09:10 AM

Oh really? You people said the same thing back when UBI dropped all support for SH5. Didn't happen. Why would it now?

USS Virginia · 08-28-12, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

This is my thinking. We have a better chance of getting a good subsim from some new outfit than from Ubisoft.

So, please read this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...12#post1927512

thebeasle · 09-05-12, 10:57 PM

Good thread. MS Flight was a failure but it didn't upset me because I knew it would be terrible. I never got my hopes up for it. Same thing with Silent Hunter Online. If SHO gets 90+ on MetaCritic I might try it. I'm not holding my breath. Game looks terrible right now. Same thing is going on with the new SimCity game if anyone's been following that game's development.

I've said several times on subsim I'd like to see an X-Plane type hardcore simulation for subs (I bought XPlane 10 and prefer it to FSX btw). Easy for me to request a hardcore sub simulation, I'm not a programmer.

I hope someone will take that risk some day. Or maybe I'm overestimating the market of potential buyers. I have faith that if there is truly a market need for a hardcore sub sim, some company or group of programmers will step up to fill it.

08-24-12, 12:21 AM	#4
StarTrekMike Navy Dude Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Made in Vermont Posts: 178 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	It really is a shame, I had hopes that Ubisoft would at least take one more solid pass at the Silent Hunter franchise, possibly release something like SH4 but with the SH5 level of graphic fidelity (say what you will about "graphics meaning nothing", SH5 is a great looking game and that adds to the immersion). I hope that once SHO fails (and it will, lets not lie to ourselves), Ubisoft does the right thing and releases the franchise to another developer that is more willing to put the time and effort into it and give us a great new addition to the franchise. Honestly, I don't even know why Ubisoft still bothers to hold the copyright, it seems that many companies would rather just sit on a franchise and keep it dead than let a more willing company take over and produce something for the market they clearly have no interest in. SH4 and SH5 are always going to be my go-to WWII subsims, I don't see SHO fitting into that at all, the lack of proper free-roaming (navigation means nothing now), the lack of a proper deck view (that we have seen, though they say it is there in a interview), the reliance on online play and what will probably be just another micro-transaction money grab will keep me away like the plague. The microtransaction based F2P model works well for some games but not all, some users don't want to get nickel and dimed for a mere browser game. __________________ I think we lost em...hey whats that pinging sound?

09-05-12, 10:57 PM	#8
thebeasle Watch Join Date: May 2011 Location: USA Posts: 26 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 1	Good thread. MS Flight was a failure but it didn't upset me because I knew it would be terrible. I never got my hopes up for it. Same thing with Silent Hunter Online. If SHO gets 90+ on MetaCritic I might try it. I'm not holding my breath. Game looks terrible right now. Same thing is going on with the new SimCity game if anyone's been following that game's development. I've said several times on subsim I'd like to see an X-Plane type hardcore simulation for subs (I bought XPlane 10 and prefer it to FSX btw). Easy for me to request a hardcore sub simulation, I'm not a programmer. I hope someone will take that risk some day. Or maybe I'm overestimating the market of potential buyers. I have faith that if there is truly a market need for a hardcore sub sim, some company or group of programmers will step up to fill it. __________________ -

08-23-12, 03:56 AM	#1
Julhelm Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Icy North Posts: 693 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	SH5? Cliffs of Dover? Ghost Recon Future Soldier? AssCreed 3? Far Cry 3? Those games are as hardcore as they come.

08-23-12, 07:57 PM	#3
The_Pharoah Soundman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 142 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Mike...you're just telling it like it is.

08-28-12, 09:10 AM	#6
Julhelm Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Icy North Posts: 693 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	Oh really? You people said the same thing back when UBI dropped all support for SH5. Didn't happen. Why would it now?