Islamist call to destroy Egypts Pyramids

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Two questions. Was there a military reason why they did that? Islamic fighter sare known to hide within mosques to evade enemy fire or to prevent destruction of ammo stocks.

Second, what makes a deciding difference is whether or not the ideology of the actor (the US military, Islam) are supporting acts of vandalism for the mere sake of vandalism, or not. Islam not only supports but I would say demands the derstrtuction of other cultural artifacts that are not to be tolerated beside the only god there is, Allah. The ideology thus is the problem, not just a group of monkeys acting isolated.

1) Are you going to tell me there 'could be' justifable miltary reasons for ever single isolated attrocity carried out by our side in Iraq? The torture, the rapes and god know what else? In that country we invaded against our own international laws because they had invisible WMDs? Of course the majority of Our Troops were not doing these things, may well have done so based on an ideology that muslims are bad. there may not be a holy book ont hat but its still an ideology.

2) Problem with the Islamic ideology (much like all the major relegions) is that its written in such a way that is wide open to mis-interpretation and bad translation.
The Islamic Ideology you like to present is simply 'your' interpretation of it (nothing wrong with that mind you)
but heres my question, why should I trust at face value, an interpretation of Islam from someone that I know has very low opinion of Islam? If i want to learn about cars, I dont go and ask Green Peace do I?
For all I know you might just be picking out the parts that support your distain, and leave out the parts that dont, (like a 9/11 truther) Im not saying you ARE doing this - just that its pretty typical of human behaviour, thats all.

You might tell me I should look at some of the evil acts carried out by muslims, (and I freely admit that there are plenty of them too) The problem is, that they are perfectly proportional to evil acts perpitrated by non-muslims.
So therefore, the only problems I have with muslims, is the same problem I have with the rest of mankind. I see nothing that makes them particularly more monsterous than anyone else.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by JU_88

1) Are you going to tell me there 'could be' justifable miltary reasons for ever single isolated attrocity carried out by our side in Iraq? The torture, the rapes and god know what else? In that country we invaded against our own international laws because they had invisible WMDs? Of course the majority of Our Troops were not doing these things, may well have done so based on an ideology that muslims are bad. there may not be a holy book ont hat but its still an ideology.

What part of the question exactly did you not understand?

2) Problem with the Islamic ideology (much like all the major relegions) is that its written in such a way that is wide open to mis-interpretation and bad translation.
The Islamic Ideology you like to present is simply 'your' interpretation of it (nothing wrong with that mind you)
but heres my question, why should I trust at face value, an interpretation of Islam from someone that I know has very low opinion of Islam? If i want to learn about cars, I dont go and ask Green Peace do I?
For all I know you might just be picking out the parts that support your distain, and leave out the parts that dont, (like a 9/11 truther) Im not saying you ARE doing this - just that its pretty typical of human behaviour, thats all.

It is not as rnadom as yiou claim it to be. First, the Quran is filled with contradicting lines, these derive - for the vast majority - from the fact of different times of origin when what Muhammad said the passage in question. This has never stopped both fundamentalist mainstream and the so-called moderate islam that you think exists from proceeding thoruhg history ion the fundamentalist manner. This may be becasue of another fact, that is that the socalled abrogation principle gained consensus amongst all major Muslim juristzic schools and lineages already in 9th or 10th century. It says that in case of contradiction between two quotes from different passages of the Quran, the one that has been given later (was created later and thus is newer) should be given superiority over the older one. Muhammad turned the more violent and aggressive the elder he becam and the more successful his conquest was running. So do the math and add 1 and 1 together. Most violent passages in the Quran are the later ones. They thus have dominance over older quotes.

The whole book is, like the bible a confused collection of contradictions and a bullride through the timeline, because the Suras are nbot sorted in chronological order, but by length. That allows Islam to blind the unknowing infidels and giove one quote toat tells them qhat they want to hear, while acting on behalf of another one that means them evil. The whole communication from Islam'S side is an endless stream of one-eyed halftruths and deceptive opportunistic baits meant to mislead the intended victims, the prey. And the prey is us.

In case of doubt, judge it by the histoic record of deed, act and behavior. And for that dark historic record it has on its behalf, I hold it responsible, no matter what they tell me about that I misunderstand it, and that it was meant differently than it was carried out, and and and. I simply don't listen anymore, I simply do mnot care anymore. I'm not buying this bull. I seer the disatrous trail Islam has left in world'S history and that it has set every place into flames where it arrives and that it destroyed or tried to destroy every culture it came into contact with, and that it bullies against everybody, and claims everything for itself. That is what counts, and that is what decides whether I see it as tolerant, multicultural and peaceful, or as violent, intolerant and supremacistic. The deed is what counts, and even more when the deed is in conformity with the demands of the ideology that motivates and justifies the deed. Here, I see conformity between both.

And so I see Islam as what it is. Inhumane, intolerant, aggressive, violent and totalitarian. It is in its historic record of behavior. It is in it's ideology and in its scripture. More is not needed to form an opinion.