Homosexual found guilty on 45 out of 48 counts!

Skybird · 06-24-12, 05:27 AM

You guys are still at this...?

It started with sexual morals lined out on the basis of religious ideology, ignoring that said ideology's clerics have a big problem with sexual abberations within their own rows, and that statistics say - I quote by the books of Dawkins and Hitchens again* - that crime numbers related to rape and sexual assault are higher in red states than in blue states.

It then went to an "argument" over "holy scriptures" like the bible being historically original, being historically accurate and beign well-founded in their sources and ways by which they got delivered, ignoring that almost every theologican, as long as he is no ultra-hardcore fundamentalist extremist brute force type of guy, today denies that the scriptures are historically correct. I again refer to the two books mentioned above where the authors rip the christmas story and books of Moses, parts of Jesus' claimed historical biography apart and leave nothing but rags of paper of it - not by rethorical means, but basing on the many inner contradictions the Bible includes in its statements and timetables. it makes historical claims on names and events and timetables of which we know that they are simply wrong, plain and simply historically wrong.

Next comes the mandatory trading back and forth of Bible references, as if that would prove anything and would improve the miserable record of authenticity, or as if systemtically sorting bible quotes by a random patterns would turn the content of the quotes into something less fictional. The Bible is neither a book of science nor a book of truth, it is a collection of fictional pieces written by a huge plethora of authors who based on hear-say, rumours, lip-delivered historical stories of their time, and most of that, if not all, is illustrating only the way in which the people with that limited knowledge of their time tried to make sense of the world around them. Taking that as an authority means to deny everything that has taken place in the past 2 thousand years and denying any increase in scientific understanding of cosmos, biology, environment, physics, mathematics, medicine - you name it.

Bible swingers making remarks on sexual perversions - that combo alone should let your brain mode jump from active to standbye. When not just somebody but religious people start to lecture about sexuality and morals, I immediately switch off. By the historic record of religions and their effect on the world, nobody is more unqualified to comment on morals and sexuality, then religious people.

So guys, don't you have something better to do with your time?

For German readers, a random find that I had last week when searching the archive for something.
Jesus wollte diese Kirche nicht
Eugen Drewermann in an interview from early 90s. He is a theologist and psychotherapist, has fought bitter battles with the church (they finally separated in anger), and is the most profound critic and attacker of the church's dogma available in German language. His book "Kleriker. Psychogramm eines Ideals" is seen by not few as the most devastating and insightful attack against the church and its personell that has been written until today. It describes , amongst others, the massive accumulation of personality defomations to be seen amongst clerics' ranks, and how the church and its dogma are causing this and are responisble for this. But be warned, the book is demanding, and is thick: 900 pages.

*Dawkins: The God Delusion; Hitchens: God is not Great

Betonov · 06-24-12, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

You guys are still at this...?

About time someone derails this thread.
Soooo, how many of you do gardening ??

Hottentot · 06-24-12, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Soooo, how many of you do gardening ??

My bonsai tree is doing great. I'm hoping it will have leaves once my grand child finally inherits it.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 06-24-12, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Soooo, how many of you do gardening ??

I live in block of flats. That means closest I could get of gardening would be as 'acting rake specialist' in autumn.

mookiemookie · 06-24-12, 06:54 AM

I have an amaryllis in a pot outside my patio that I just can't get to bloom. Grr...

Skybird · 06-24-12, 06:59 AM

The only thing blooming in my home are my neuroses.

u crank · 06-24-12, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The only thing blooming in my home are my neuroses.

Good one. I think we all cultivate that garden a little.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 06-24-12, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I have an amaryllis in a pot outside my patio that I just can't get to bloom. Grr...

Which one? At my (very limited) understanding some need tropical conditions.

mookiemookie · 06-24-12, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Which one? At my (very limited) understanding some need tropical conditions.

I'm not sure exactly. Years ago when we lived in California, we had this 80 year old man who had the greenest thumb ever. He had this beautiful amaryllis and gave my mother one of the bulbs. She planted it, and has since moved here to Texas and she has no problem getting hers to bloom. Mine's a bulb off of hers, and it hasn't bloomed in two years.

Not sure that the tropical weather is a problem...if you've been to Houston in the summer time you know it's about as humid and hot as a rainforest.

nikimcbee · 06-24-12, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

About time someone derails this thread.
Soooo, how many of you do gardening ??

Something smashed my flowers

.

Rockstar · 06-24-12, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Something smashed my flowers

.

Maybe it was Bigfoot or you stumbling home from the pub.

ZeeWolf · 06-24-12, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

About time someone derails this thread.
Soooo, how many of you do gardening ??

That has been the goal from the very first page

Sailor Steve · 06-24-12, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

That has been the goal from the very first page

No, most of us have been debating you honestly and fairly. You've somewhat derailed it yourself more than once. I also see you've stopped answering my points.

danny60 · 06-24-12, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

About time someone derails this thread.
Soooo, how many of you do gardening ??

We have flowers... somewhere in the pathetic excuse that is my back garden...

Oberon · 06-24-12, 05:36 AM

"Well, it started badly, it tailed off a bit in the middle and the less said about the end the better, but apart from that it was excellent!"

06-24-12, 05:27 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,707 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You guys are still at this...? It started with sexual morals lined out on the basis of religious ideology, ignoring that said ideology's clerics have a big problem with sexual abberations within their own rows, and that statistics say - I quote by the books of Dawkins and Hitchens again* - that crime numbers related to rape and sexual assault are higher in red states than in blue states. It then went to an "argument" over "holy scriptures" like the bible being historically original, being historically accurate and beign well-founded in their sources and ways by which they got delivered, ignoring that almost every theologican, as long as he is no ultra-hardcore fundamentalist extremist brute force type of guy, today denies that the scriptures are historically correct. I again refer to the two books mentioned above where the authors rip the christmas story and books of Moses, parts of Jesus' claimed historical biography apart and leave nothing but rags of paper of it - not by rethorical means, but basing on the many inner contradictions the Bible includes in its statements and timetables. it makes historical claims on names and events and timetables of which we know that they are simply wrong, plain and simply historically wrong. Next comes the mandatory trading back and forth of Bible references, as if that would prove anything and would improve the miserable record of authenticity, or as if systemtically sorting bible quotes by a random patterns would turn the content of the quotes into something less fictional. The Bible is neither a book of science nor a book of truth, it is a collection of fictional pieces written by a huge plethora of authors who based on hear-say, rumours, lip-delivered historical stories of their time, and most of that, if not all, is illustrating only the way in which the people with that limited knowledge of their time tried to make sense of the world around them. Taking that as an authority means to deny everything that has taken place in the past 2 thousand years and denying any increase in scientific understanding of cosmos, biology, environment, physics, mathematics, medicine - you name it. Bible swingers making remarks on sexual perversions - that combo alone should let your brain mode jump from active to standbye. When not just somebody but religious people start to lecture about sexuality and morals, I immediately switch off. By the historic record of religions and their effect on the world, nobody is more unqualified to comment on morals and sexuality, then religious people. So guys, don't you have something better to do with your time? For German readers, a random find that I had last week when searching the archive for something. Jesus wollte diese Kirche nicht Eugen Drewermann in an interview from early 90s. He is a theologist and psychotherapist, has fought bitter battles with the church (they finally separated in anger), and is the most profound critic and attacker of the church's dogma available in German language. His book "Kleriker. Psychogramm eines Ideals" is seen by not few as the most devastating and insightful attack against the church and its personell that has been written until today. It describes , amongst others, the massive accumulation of personality defomations to be seen amongst clerics' ranks, and how the church and its dogma are causing this and are responisble for this. But be warned, the book is demanding, and is thick: 900 pages. Dawkins: The God Delusion; Hitchens: God is not Great __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.* Last edited by Skybird; 06-24-12 at 07:24 AM.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,707 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The only thing blooming in my home are my neuroses. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	"Well, it started badly, it tailed off a bit in the middle and the less said about the end the better, but apart from that it was excellent!"