Israel deploys nuclear weapons on submarines

Karle94 · 06-03-12, 08:35 PM

Would have loved to see a simulated battle between the Type 212 and the ultimate SSN ever, the Seawolf. That one is extremely quiet, even for a SSN. Quiet at fast speed as well. From what I have read, a top underwater speed of 35+ knots. And it can carry 50 torpedoes, and/or Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Tomahawk cruise missiles. Only the old (50s`/60s`) SSNs had loud cooling pumps.

Skybird · 06-04-12, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Karle94

Would have loved to see a simulated battle between the Type 212 and the ultimate SSN ever, the Seawolf. That one is extremely quiet, even for a SSN. Quiet at fast speed as well. From what I have read, a top underwater speed of 35+ knots. And it can carry 50 torpedoes, and/or Harpoon anti-ship missiles and Tomahawk cruise missiles. Only the old (50s`/60s`) SSNs had loud cooling pumps.

Probably would be decided by the quality of the sonar hardware and software. Both nations are said to be extremely good in sonar tech. I would expect Seawolf's advantage would be its greater speed. 212's advantage would be that it probably is that certain bit quiter.

I read today that the German government still hopes (yeah, these stupid simpletons indeed hope for it) to sell 214s to - Pakistan.

If that deal ever happens, it deserves some executions done in the Kanzleramt's garden, imo. Retarded unscrupulous bastards.

Catfish · 06-05-12, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

[...] that the German government still hopes (yeah, these stupid simpletons indeed hope for it) to sell 214s to - Pakistan.
If that deal ever happens, it deserves some executions done in the Kanzleramt's garden, imo. Retarded unscrupulous bastards.

The 214 is, despite of its higher number, much less capable than the 212 or Dolphin type - but it has the fuel cell AIP drive, and that's bad enough.
Just include some Stuxnet or Flame with the next software for the boat's systems

(Remember Flame came with a Windows update, and we all probably have it

)

But the Dolphin deal is not new, nor is the policy to support Israel no matter what. It gives Israel the possibility for a retaliation strike, if the Iran would launch nuclear weapons towards Israel - the tempting notion for Iran is that Israel would be virtually wiped out with two of those bombs.
But U-boats somewhere in the mediterranean or Red Sea would be able to retaliate, so any country would think twice before an attack - equilibrium of terror, it has worked before.
The older boats delivered had already 65 cm tubes, just with a 533 mm "inlet", which can be easily removed to accommodate bigger fishes. Maybe they just spared the Israelis the work to remove that this time.

So nothing really new about this 6th boat.

Greetings,
Catfish

Reece · 06-05-12, 02:54 AM

[QUOTE=Catfish;1893638
(Remember Flame came with a Windows update, and we all probably have it

)[/QUOTE]
IIRC Flame is around 45gb!

Catfish · 06-05-12, 03:19 AM

No, around 20 Mb as far as i heard. Big enough though, and much larger than Stux. As POTUS was reported to have said recently, it was developed in an Israelian-US venture, and its launch timed for beginning of may, 2012.

Also, because it was spread via an MS update, i do not quite believe Mickeysoft did not know anything about that - after all they are a US company and 'visited' regularly, by the US major secret services. Something every non-US company should consider when it uses MS programs, and cloud computing ..

Is the sending of such a thing not an act of war ?
So Iran could now legally 're'-declare war itself, to the US ?

I think they all (Iran AND US) are frantically searching for a juristically clean 'explanation'.

Dan D · 06-05-12, 03:55 AM

„Cold war“ between Israel and the Iranian regime:
If those subs can be armed with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles, it would give Israel second strike capability. In other words: any nation that attacks Israel with a nuclear weapon will live long enough to regret it, which is not for very long.

Could be a bluff, though, that Israel is capable to arm its subs with nuclear missiles.

Such headlines could mean that Israel has accepted the idea that Iran sooner or later will be a nuclear power and that an Israeli plan to attack Iranian power plants to delay an Iranian nuclear program, if such a plan ever existed, is off the table.

Skybird · 06-05-12, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Is the sending of such a thing not an act of war ?
So Iran could now legally 're'-declare war itself, to the US ?

I think they all (Iran AND US) are frantically searching for a juristically clean 'explanation'.

It's an act of war like the financing of international terrorism, messing in other nations by own militias and military trainers or flying airplanes into a foreign nations hightowers.

Just that as fas as we know Stuxnet did not kill crowds of civilians so far.

Catfish · 06-05-12, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

It's an act of war like the financing of international terrorism, messing in other nations by own militias and military trainers or flying airplanes into a foreign nations hightowers.

I am glad we finally know who financed 9/11, so why did the US invade Afghanistan then, and not Iran ?

Or, since we are at it, not Saudi-Arabia, or Germany ?
It was financed and watched with sympathy, by Saudi-Arabia, and the terrorist cell met and worked in Germany. The main assassins are meanwhile known to have been employed by the US military in the US, some years before. Maybe they should have spied on and invaded themselves ?
There are too much things not fitting together in those official statements - not that they have not changed themselves, in the last months.

Regarding the latest known virus:

The Flame update was legitimated by the "Microsoft Enforced Licensing Registration Authority CA", a Sub-CA of Microsofts Root Authority.
Flame spread those updates over a virtual server named MSHOME-F3BE293C. All certificates used were valid, MS has admitted that.
"The Gadget-MITM module only became active in eastern timezones like GMT +2 and higher.
The Flame botnet infrastructure used 15 command servers, being in charge for 50 victims each [...] " or so Kaspersky said.
A few hours after detection, the botnet went offline.

The servers, using wrong identities, were placed in Germany, The Netherlands, Great Britain, Suisse, Hong Kong and Turkey.
Most victims used a 32-bit Windows 7, followed by XP with 45 percent.
Flame does not run under a 64-bit Win 7 or so it seems.

Some of the domains could be relocated to a "sinkhole" though, so the infected PCs transferred their data to Kaspersky labs; it seems those data consist of PDF and Office documents, but also Auto-Cad and other technical software. The redirected data do now reside at Kaspersky labs, in .. Russia.

Greetings,
Catfish

TLAM Strike · 06-05-12, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

The older boats delivered had already 65 cm tubes, just with a 533 mm "inlet", which can be easily removed to accommodate bigger fishes. Maybe they just spared the Israelis the work to remove that this time.

The Popeye Turbo is 533mm in diameter so it can be fired from the standard torpedo tubes as could the Tomahawk which is what the Israelis originality wanted. IMO the 655mm tubes are more likely for deploying SDVs.

Catfish · 06-05-12, 02:02 PM

The Dolphin has an own wet-and-dry compartment but, as you said, swimmer delivery vehicles can be launched form the 650 mm tubes.

But the nuclear-capable version of the medium-range "Popeye Turbo" cruise missile design has been tested for deployability from the 650mm torpedo tubes in the Dolphin submarines.

It has four of the latter, and six 533 mm tubes - some firepower for sure.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	No, around 20 Mb as far as i heard. Big enough though, and much larger than Stux. As POTUS was reported to have said recently, it was developed in an Israelian-US venture, and its launch timed for beginning of may, 2012. Also, because it was spread via an MS update, i do not quite believe Mickeysoft did not know anything about that - after all they are a US company and 'visited' regularly, by the US major secret services. Something every non-US company should consider when it uses MS programs, and cloud computing .. Is the sending of such a thing not an act of war ? So Iran could now legally 're'-declare war itself, to the US ? I think they all (Iran AND US) are frantically searching for a juristically clean 'explanation'. Last edited by Catfish; 06-05-12 at 03:30 AM.

06-05-12, 03:55 AM	#6
Dan D Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 9th Flotilla Posts: 839 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	„Cold war“ between Israel and the Iranian regime: If those subs can be armed with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles, it would give Israel second strike capability. In other words: any nation that attacks Israel with a nuclear weapon will live long enough to regret it, which is not for very long. Could be a bluff, though, that Israel is capable to arm its subs with nuclear missiles. Such headlines could mean that Israel has accepted the idea that Iran sooner or later will be a nuclear power and that an Israeli plan to attack Iranian power plants to delay an Iranian nuclear program, if such a plan ever existed, is off the table. __________________

06-05-12, 02:02 PM	#10
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	The Dolphin has an own wet-and-dry compartment but, as you said, swimmer delivery vehicles can be launched form the 650 mm tubes. But the nuclear-capable version of the medium-range "Popeye Turbo" cruise missile design has been tested for deployability from the 650mm torpedo tubes in the Dolphin submarines. It has four of the latter, and six 533 mm tubes - some firepower for sure.