The Satanic quality of the Internet

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Since I like to split hairs with you, in a way you and me even cannot be atheists, nor can anyone else.

I understand your reasoning and even agree, at least where I am concerned, but there are atheists by that definition, in the respect that there are indeed people who absolutely insist there is no God and tell you you're a fool if you believe in one. They are the ones I call hardcore atheists and no, I could never be like that.

On the other hand I have to agree that as far as I can see there is no verifiable evidence at all. Yet I don't even call myself an agnostic. Just because I see no evidence doesn't mean I'm convinced I'm right. I'm still waiting for somebody to show me something. Anything. But maybe someday somebody will.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I understand your reasoning and even agree, at least where I am concerned, but there are atheists by that definition, in the respect that there are indeed people who absolutely insist there is no God and tell you you're a fool if you believe in one. They are the ones I call hardcore atheists and no, I could never be like that.

I admit that thoi8ugh I do not actively ring bells and try to convince people in advance that there is no God, I give people certainly a fight for their money when they get the show started. BTW, I was pulling your leg in the posting earlier. a probability of 99.999999...to eternity percent means nothign else as that 100% is what is really meant. The reference to logics and that nonexistence of something cannot be proven, is just a formal issue, so to speak.

On the other hand I have to agree that as far as I can see there is no verifiable evidence at all. Yet I don't even call myself an agnostic. Just because I see no evidence doesn't mean I'm convinced I'm right. I'm still waiting for somebody to show me something. Anything. But maybe someday somebody will.

You remind me of a person using a Star Trek transporter and then gets locked in transport. Not being materialised, this person hangs between "here" and "there" in the transport buffer, can'T do anything, does not live a life.

Trust your reasonability, Steve, some portion of ordinary common sense. You have not heared, smelled, tasted, seen, felt any hint indicating there is the great eye of the sky. You are how old? 55? Somewhere in that range I think. Time to put a quarter in the machine and dance. I think Pat'S uncomplicated advise is a good recipe there. If you are not bothered by religion, have FUN! Stop bothering for ifs, and maybes, and just-in-cases. Stop the fear. Come to your senses. And just in case there is a god existing somewhere, either he is that sicki psychopath that the scriptures dexfibe hgim as, than feel produ that you have spit in his face, since he would kick ypou down to hell anyway. And if he is the allknowing, wise, friendly Uncle, he already understands you and will smile while you dance.

So why the worries?

Me, I believe in the flying spaghetti monster. When I have died, I have a date with God. Then i will eat him up. Ramen!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You remind me of a person using a Star Trek transporter and then gets locked in transport. Not being materialised, this person hangs between "here" and "there" in the transport buffer, can'T do anything, does not live a life.

Hmm. You seem to know me too well. I think I need to put out a contract on you.

On the other hand, while that describes my real life quite well, it misses the point of my philosophy. I don't obsess over this doubt or waste time thinking about it, I just look at it and accept it.

Trust your reasonability, Steve, some portion of ordinary common sense. You have not heared, smelled, tasted, seen, felt any hint indicating there is the great eye of the sky. You are how old? 55? Somewhere in that range I think.

Sixty-two, actually.

Time to put a quarter in the machine and dance. I think Pat'S uncomplicated advise is a good recipe there. If you are not bothered by religion, have FUN! Stop bothering for ifs, and maybes, and just-in-cases. Stop the fear. Come to your senses.

Unfortunately I'm limited by other things than religion, and certain kinds of enjoyment seem to elude me. But that's me talking about me again, and I have a therapist for that, and a couple of close friends.

So why the worries?

No worries, at least where God is concerned. I just state what I see.

I was a devout believer for awhile, but I've come full circle to what I used to be, only with a lot more awareness. One of of my favorite lines of all time comes from the old Blood, Sweat & Tears song 'And When I Die': "I can swear there ain't no heaven, but I'll pray there ain't no hell."

I admit that thoi8ugh I do not actively ring bells and try to convince people in advance that there is no God, I give people certainly a fight for their money when they get the show started.

such utter bull

This will most likely reward me an infraction and maybe even brig time

Actually it just illustrates you for what you are and highlights your inability to realise you are exactly the same as that you wish to condemn but cannot see it, though in fact you are probably worse than those you wish to condemn due to the zealous nature in which you hold and express your beliefs and fantasies.

That is the cream on top!

It is, but you can't see it.
That simple question he put highlights the self contradicting nature of your zealotry

[MH]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I admit that thoi8ugh I do not actively ring bells and try to convince people in advance that there is no God, I give people certainly a fight for their money when they get the show started. BTW, I was pulling your leg in the posting earlier. a probability of 99.999999...to eternity percent means nothign else as that 100% is what is really meant. The reference to logics and that nonexistence of something cannot be proven, is just a formal issue, so to speak.

Now, i would like to see the math behind this.

Come to your senses. And just in case there is a god existing somewhere, either he is that sicki psychopath that the scriptures dexfibe hgim as, than feel produ that you have spit in his face, since he would kick ypou down to hell anyway. And if he is the allknowing, wise, friendly Uncle, he already understands you and will smile while you dance.

That's the attitude.
But he might be neither of those...which still means that you can dance i guess.



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