The gathering storm

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Can't disagree with any of it. Although to be honest, voting for freedom or independent parties is a waste of time in the British system because they do not have the ability to gather the support required.
Yes, they have gained ground in the past few years, but they are still lightyears away from having any legitimate power.

The political class, as he calls them, have too much power to be toppled, they control the Armed forces, they control the police, and any organised attempt to remove them would be quashed without support from either.

That's why so many people in the UK just can't be bothered to vote any more, because there's no point.

Try the American system for a spell, and wait until a fillibuster happens on an important bill for no other reason than to discredit the executive branch. So their party can get in office later on.

I always thought a parliamentiary system was fairer. The people decided what they wanted, no partisan crap. The people got what they voted for, and if it don't work, we can try the other side. In Murica, the other side spends money pasting the opponnent, trying to get thier boys in offce, and nothing gets done.

I actually envy europe, I feel you guys have a better choice than we do. Even when our side wins, we still lose, and nothing gets done, and progress gets snowballed.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I actually envy europe, I feel you guys have a better choice than we do. Even when our side wins, we still lose, and nothing gets done, and progress gets snowballed.

What makes you think it is different here? Its pretty much the same principle mechanisms corrupting the system, just with another face. Your rules get eroded and broken, our rules get eroded and broken. You are bancrupt, we are bancrupt. Your leaders are corrupt, our leaders are corrupt. Your freedom gets destroyed, our freedom gets destroyed.

Fight where you are, you must not search battle elsewhere. It'S everywhere around these days. Any arena is as good or as hopeless than any other. Refuse to obey the wanted decisions and opinions that they claim are expected from you. The only important thing would be that you, and people, start to resist the system, and deny it any further legitimation to proceed with its crime against the common good and people's interest. Europe will and cannot save you. And since the fight is not militarily, the US cannot save Europe again anymore, too.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Skybird

What makes you think it is different here? Its pretty much the same principle mechanisms corrupting the system, just with another face. Your rules get eroded and broken, our rules get eroded and broken. You are bancrupt, we are bancrupt. Your leaders are corrupt, our leaders are corrupt. Your freedom gets destroyed, our freedom gets destroyed.

Fight where you are, you must not search battle elsewhere. It'S everywhere around these days. Any arena is as good or as hopeless than any other. Refuse to obey the wanted decisions and opinions that they claim are expected from you. The only important thing would be that you, and people, start to resist the system, and deny it any further legitimation to proceed with its crime against the common good and people's interest. Europe will and cannot save you. And since the fight is not militarily, the US cannot save Europe again anymore, too.

It may be a "grass is greener on the other side" thing, or it may be a "time for radical change" thing.

No matter how I explain it , it comes down to rebellion, I now fear our patriot act, and an indefinate stay in detention with no charges.

I was uhhh....Kidding? Yeah!

Hey at least you guys don't have GITMO, my new home soon.

I have researched a bit on the English Defence League and do not like it much

Yet you posted a link to their youtube channel as you both seem to like like what Condell says.
Could be worse you could have linked to some racist complaining about black people again because you got upset by a soccer match and wanted a link to express your shared views

seems to be a very unfriendly kind of right extremist breed

they say the same as you say and the same as he says which says a lot about what is being said by all of you.

So some people seem to hijack him for their own agendas, either to benefit from him in their own intentions, or to give him bad name by trying to compromise his reputation.

If they are all saying the same they all have a similar agenda.
flocking with crows wasn't it by their company you shall know them...the truth according to skybird which unfortunately turns round bites him again and again

I know there was a UKIP councilor somewhere in the north of England who enlisted EDL aid in a demo earlier in the year. I'll try and find a link to it on HP but I don't know how far back their archives go.

But hold on Sky said the UKIP are Ok and they just like what Pat says, they can't share the same views as the EDL can they as that would mean they are both just nationalist right wing populists

[Egan]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yet you posted a link to their youtube channel as you both seem to like like what Condell says.
Could be worse you could have linked to some racist complaining about black people again because you got upset by a soccer match and wanted a link to express your shared views


they say the same as you say and the same as he says which says a lot about what is being said by all of you.


If they are all saying the same they all have a similar agenda.
flocking with crows wasn't it by their company you shall know them...the truth according to skybird which unfortunately turns round bites him again and again





But hold on Sky said the UKIP are Ok and they just like what Pat says, they can't share the same views as the EDL can they as that would mean they are both just nationalist right wing populists

Tim Montgomery wrote a great article in the times about UKIP recently, if you have the patience and money to track it down through it's paywall. Puts to bed some myths about them for good.

I love it when he does the occasional piece in the Guardian. Gets them frothing in craziness on Comment is Free and almost makes up for them publishing Seamus Milne.