Does Radar work?

Olsin · 05-20-12, 10:18 AM

I've had a brief search through to see if i can find any help on this but all i can find is relating to radar range.

My question is "Does radar work?"...I can right click on the sonar guy and take over the operation of the hydro. when i right click on the radio operator i'm presented with the radar screen and while i can toggle the range and turn it on and off plus click on the wheel at the bottom of the screen and turn the radar clockwise or anticlockwise it doesn't seem to register anything. Not even when i manually point it on a heading where i know there is a ship does it affect the actual radar display in anyway...and nor does the "range to target" change from 0000.

Is this the way it is or is my radar broken?..I'm playing gwx3.0 with Magui and some other mods.

Missing Name · 05-20-12, 02:36 PM

In the game, it's far better to let the AI handle the radar. Even then there's a good chance it doesn't do anything. I've found that tinkering with it myself does nothing at all.

In real life... against ships the radar was hardly effective.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Type VII U-boats, by Robert C. Stern, pg 120

We had a FuMO on the side, what we called a mattress. We used it in the Baltic, in the mist, to try to find the harbour entrance at Pillau. It didn't work. I mean, we had some sign on oscilloscope, but I would never have dared to try bringing the boat in on just that. Out in the Atlantic, we found it would show targets, but you'd probably see them with the naked eye long before they showed up on the scope.

Its main purpose was to locate aircraft, which it did reasonably well.

Gargamel · 05-20-12, 04:04 PM

You must also realize the limitations it has ingame too.

Early radar had only a 30' search area, 15' off the bow in each direction. May be wrong on the exact number, but it was pretty dang tight. So even if you point the radar wheel in the targets directiOn, the radar won't move. You have to Physically turn the boat to do a sweep.

Also, the only time I use radar is in horrible weather with no visibility, just to avoid collisions. I did almost get t-bone by a destroyer one foggy day. Didn't see the guy until <500m. Was able to sink him with a stern torpedo before he could bring guns to bear. After that, I turned on radar when I cant see my own boat. Problem is, evrytime your radar gets submerged, it turns off, and it gets submerged a lot in he conditions I use it.

Hinrich Schwab · 05-20-12, 08:24 PM

You can't use German radar the way the Allies used radar. All of the sets, both historically and as modeled in the game, are utterly inferior to the worst of the Allied sets. As has been stated, the only thing it is really good for (other than lighting Allied Direction-Finding gear

) is navigation in poor weather.

Olsin · 05-21-12, 09:22 AM

Ok, thanks guys..So from what i can deduce i can't use it in the same way i can use the hydro....At least i now know that it isn't broken and thats always good to know..

u35_captain · 05-24-12, 02:13 PM

So far it's been very useful to me. Managed to hunt down a few targets in bad weather and hit them from point-blank range as a result.

That and it gives me warning of warships now and again I otherwise wouldn't have known about before it became dangerous.

Granted, I leave the AI to operate it, which probably makes a huge difference.

P_Funk · 05-26-12, 03:29 AM

The story of technology in WW2 is mostly that of idustrially inferior Nazi Germany bringing Europe to its knees with the might of its excellent armies and cutting edge technology for which the battle to control latter in the midst of the final months of the war began and whose results ultimately set the course for the next 20+ years of military technological advancement, culminating in the apogee of the space race with Astronauts being propelled into orbit on their way to the Moon by rockets designed by the same mind which harrowed the occupants of London with the V2.

Sounds pretty epic right? Well not when it came to radar. The germans made everyone look bad when it came to advanced Aircraft engines, submarine design, inventing the modern assault rifle, not to mention putting on parades, but when it came to a few things like crash nuclear programs and radar development they pretty much dropped the ball on that.

Often I find this fact to be relatively surprising to people. Generally the feeling is Germany made everything better, just they didn't have enough of it. When it came to Radar they had neither.

Apparently after the Americans or Brits had nabbed the core of the German Nuclear Weapon program they put them in some manor and bugged the rooms and after they'd overheard enough of the scientists talk about their work they realized that the Germans were no where near a they feared getting a nuke. They'd probably have been able to finish Plan Z before they got a nuke up.

Sailor Steve · 05-26-12, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by P_Funk

Often I find this fact to be relatively surprising to people. Generally the feeling is Germany made everything better, just they didn't have enough of it. When it came to Radar they had neither.

In fact it was so bad that the u-boats were blindsided because they couldn't make a radar set small enough to fit in an airplane, and didn't believe anyone else could either. They did finally start to equip their night fighters toward the end of the war, far too little and far too late

05-20-12, 10:18 AM	#1
Olsin Bosun Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denmark Posts: 63 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Does Radar work? I've had a brief search through to see if i can find any help on this but all i can find is relating to radar range. My question is "Does radar work?"...I can right click on the sonar guy and take over the operation of the hydro. when i right click on the radio operator i'm presented with the radar screen and while i can toggle the range and turn it on and off plus click on the wheel at the bottom of the screen and turn the radar clockwise or anticlockwise it doesn't seem to register anything. Not even when i manually point it on a heading where i know there is a ship does it affect the actual radar display in anyway...and nor does the "range to target" change from 0000. Is this the way it is or is my radar broken?..I'm playing gwx3.0 with Magui and some other mods. __________________ Prediction is a very hard thing to do, especially if it's about the future .. Niels Bohr.

05-20-12, 04:04 PM	#3
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	You must also realize the limitations it has ingame too. Early radar had only a 30' search area, 15' off the bow in each direction. May be wrong on the exact number, but it was pretty dang tight. So even if you point the radar wheel in the targets directiOn, the radar won't move. You have to Physically turn the boat to do a sweep. Also, the only time I use radar is in horrible weather with no visibility, just to avoid collisions. I did almost get t-bone by a destroyer one foggy day. Didn't see the guy until <500m. Was able to sink him with a stern torpedo before he could bring guns to bear. After that, I turned on radar when I cant see my own boat. Problem is, evrytime your radar gets submerged, it turns off, and it gets submerged a lot in he conditions I use it. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

05-20-12, 08:24 PM	#4
Hinrich Schwab Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 908 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	You can't use German radar the way the Allies used radar. All of the sets, both historically and as modeled in the game, are utterly inferior to the worst of the Allied sets. As has been stated, the only thing it is really good for (other than lighting Allied Direction-Finding gear) is navigation in poor weather.

05-21-12, 09:22 AM	#5
Olsin Bosun Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denmark Posts: 63 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Ok, thanks guys..So from what i can deduce i can't use it in the same way i can use the hydro....At least i now know that it isn't broken and thats always good to know.. __________________ Prediction is a very hard thing to do, especially if it's about the future .. Niels Bohr.

05-26-12, 03:29 AM	#7
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	The story of technology in WW2 is mostly that of idustrially inferior Nazi Germany bringing Europe to its knees with the might of its excellent armies and cutting edge technology for which the battle to control latter in the midst of the final months of the war began and whose results ultimately set the course for the next 20+ years of military technological advancement, culminating in the apogee of the space race with Astronauts being propelled into orbit on their way to the Moon by rockets designed by the same mind which harrowed the occupants of London with the V2. Sounds pretty epic right? Well not when it came to radar. The germans made everyone look bad when it came to advanced Aircraft engines, submarine design, inventing the modern assault rifle, not to mention putting on parades, but when it came to a few things like crash nuclear programs and radar development they pretty much dropped the ball on that. Often I find this fact to be relatively surprising to people. Generally the feeling is Germany made everything better, just they didn't have enough of it. When it came to Radar they had neither. Apparently after the Americans or Brits had nabbed the core of the German Nuclear Weapon program they put them in some manor and bugged the rooms and after they'd overheard enough of the scientists talk about their work they realized that the Germans were no where near a they feared getting a nuke. They'd probably have been able to finish Plan Z before they got a nuke up. __________________

05-24-12, 02:13 PM	#6
u35_captain Mate Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 54 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	So far it's been very useful to me. Managed to hunt down a few targets in bad weather and hit them from point-blank range as a result. That and it gives me warning of warships now and again I otherwise wouldn't have known about before it became dangerous. Granted, I leave the AI to operate it, which probably makes a huge difference.