Gay marriage ban passes in NC

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Sgt_V3n0m

Considering that the majority of people who voted for it voted because of their religious beliefs

So your claiming that 60% of the nation refutes gay marriage for the same reason? Did Prop 8 in Cali pass because everyone out there is a fundy bible thumper?

Yea - I didn't think so...

I am not a church going person, nor am I really all that religious, but from what I found online about gossip (which a LOT of so called "Christians" partake in), this is what the bible says about that:

Since your not religious, it would behoove you not to spout theology - else the following happens....

Proverbs 6:16-19

"There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." (Bolded relevant part).

There - I fixed what should be bolded and underlined for ya. Your welcome for the correction, though I doubt it will do any good.

Since people are saying that it's in the bible that homosexuality is a sin, and thus should be outlawed, why not make gossip a crime? It's in the bible that it's not right to spread lies against your fellow man.

Nice strawman - no one suggested making outlaws out of gays. Big difference in refusing to allow them to subvert traditional marriage and locking them up for buggering each other. And gossip, really? Is that the best you can do? You do realize that even tongue wagging women yapping over the backyard fence often are not telling lies, but are gossiping about facts known. Should lies be outlawed? Well, in some ways they are - try fibbing to the FBI sometime and watch em charge you for it.

Its ok to feel strongly about your position, but lecturing others when you don't have facts - or your theology - accurate - is what makes you look foolish. Throwing in baseless comparisons because they "sound good" does the same.

So your claiming that 60% of the nation refutes gay marriage for the same reason?

Off to see the wizard.....

Since your not religious, it would behoove you not to spout theology - else the following happens....

Please someone tell me he didn't really write that, not mr. "christian" with a problem about scripture

but lecturing others when you don't have facts - or your theology - accurate - is what makes you look foolish. Throwing in baseless comparisons because they "sound good" does the same.

Bolded underlined and made big the important parts, would you like me to put your words in CAPS LOCK to emphasise how wrong that is for you to say

[BossMark]

I wasn't going to post in this thread but I have just seen this on sky news

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16232772

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Sgt_V3n0m

Considering that we're supposed to be the "freest nation on the planet", we sure restrict our citizens rights a lot. What ever happened to the Constitution and Bill of Rights? I feel that people ignore it and try to make it up as we go.

Considering that the majority of people who voted for it voted because of their religious beliefs, they sure forget a lot that there's no such thing as a sin that's worse than another sin.

I am not a church going person, nor am I really all that religious, but from what I found online about gossip (which a LOT of so called "Christians" partake in), this is what the bible says about that:

Proverbs 6:16-19

"There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers." (Bolded relevant part).

Since people are saying that it's in the bible that homosexuality is a sin, and thus should be outlawed, why not make gossip a crime? It's in the bible that it's not right to spread lies against your fellow man.

great post, glad to have you aboard.

[Armistead]

I have lived in NC all my life, almost 50, so seen a lil bit. As a young man I remember racism, most of the adult white men around me were racist, including those where I attended a fundy church. I saw much racism towards blacks, gays and even women. I recall one pastor that made the statement preaching he wanted to start a program "kill a queer for Christ". Certainly I became racist to a degree. The south is the bible belt and many so called morals are pushed into politics, but even with religion there remains a level of closet hatred towards those that don't accept religious morals. I certainly saw and lived it for years.

As I grew older I became sickened by the so called fundy morals pushed by so many in religion, using tools of fear and guilt to control people. Why can't people live by the scripture "do no harm". Gay people do me no harm, they live all around us, most just want to live with those they love, even in marriage. Seems the best we can do is to offer civil unions, sort of a marriage lite, words just to suit our bias.

I think most agree legally our constitution does or should provide gays the right to marry, that equal rights cannot be determined by religious standards.
Sometimes the majority can be wrong, our history has proven that and the legal system should follow the constitution as they did with blacks and women and give gays equal right. It is now beyond medical doubt that gays are born that way.

[Digger Heinz]

This is a slippery slope... no matter what viewpoints are expressed SOMEONE is going to get upset... so I'll toss my ring into the hat here...

Gay Marriage...

From a legal standpoint... I see no reason why a couple, regardless of sexual orientation, should be denied the benefits of a permanent union... for instance, insurance rates are lowered when the people are "married". That's just one example... there are many others... But you see my point, yes?

Fair skies,

Digger

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Why can't people live by the scripture "do no harm".

Because such "scripture" does not exist.

The tenant or rule of "do no harm" originates in pagan theology - often quoted today in the Wiccan Rede. "An it harm done, do what ye will". It is also one of the "three rules" attributed to John Wesley, the "founder" of the Methodist faith.

It would be silly for the Bible to command "do no harm" - since there are many instances where the Jews were instructed to do great harm (as perceived by our standards).

One again - people trying to use "scripture" by either taking it out of context, or simply just making it up....

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Because such "scripture" does not exist.

The tenant or rule of "do no harm" originates in pagan theology - often quoted today in the Wiccan Rede. "An it harm done, do what ye will". It is also one of the "three rules" attributed to John Wesley, the "founder" of the Methodist faith.

It would be silly for the Bible to command "do no harm" - since there are many instances where the Jews were instructed to do great harm (as perceived by our standards).

One again - people trying to use "scripture" by either taking it out of context, or simply just making it up....

Wow, you know so lil about the bible. The entire theme of the NT is love and how it connects to "do no harm" Christ and apostles often taught instead of codes we have a new law that fulfills all law.......

Love your neighbor,,,,how do we love, by doing no harm. If you knew your bible they're many passages that states do no harm is not only good, it fulfills the law, that the best way to love others is by doing them no harm.

Gal 5.4

The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

What is this love that fulfills the law and how do we do it...

Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Love fulfills the law by doing no harm. You won't find love fulfilling the law except by "doing no harm.


I can quote many scriptures that state "love does no harm, thus fulfills the law"....the bible is full of it, it's not a pagan theme.

As a Christian maybe you should learn this most important principle

[Safe-Keeper]

Originally Posted by Sgt_V3n0m

Trying to find a mod, and this thread is (for some reason) one of the results. Let me say this please: as a North Carolinian: I'm SO very very very sorry for the actions of my State. Can you guys take solace that at least my entire family voted against it? Can't believe that my State is now the laughing stock of the rest of the Nation.

I feel you. Just remember it's a losing fight for them. They're winning battles, but losing the war. Only wish they'd realize that themselves and give it up already and go back to lobbying for more torture or fighting for harsher jail sentences for children or clubbing to death baby seals or whatever the heck it is they're up to these days. You just never know with them, do you? Maybe we should be happy they've got gay marriage to distract them.

Originally Posted by Sgt_V3n0m

Considering that we're supposed to be the "freest nation on the planet", we sure restrict our citizens rights a lot. What ever happened to the Constitution and Bill of Rights? I feel that people ignore it and try to make it up as we go.

Oh, but any nation subjected to horrendous terrorist attacks would--



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Since people are saying that it's in the bible that homosexuality is a sin, and thus should be outlawed, why not make gossip a crime? It's in the bible that it's not right to spread lies against your fellow man.

I tried that. It led to a lengthy derail about slavery. Learned my lesson there.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Wow, you know so lil about the bible. The entire theme of the NT is love and how it connects to "do no harm" Christ and apostles often taught instead of codes we have a new law that fulfills all law.......

Remember the bolded part - we are going to come back to it.....

Gal 5.4
The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Struggle to read? Galatians 5:4 is not what you quoted. It is:
"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace"

I assume you meant Gal 5:14?

The commandments were in 2 parts - love your neighbor completes the final 6 - which is dealing with your fellow man. It entirely neglects the first 4. This is NOT a Biblical error - its is about the context of the passage - those who held to "law" alone were not justified - for redemption and salvation comes only through Christ, not through the law.

Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Context - Romans 12:9
"For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Count em up - there are not 10 commandments there. Given that this was in reference to the dealing of a man to his society - and not to God, its accurate. However, your showing a distinct lack of scholarship and understanding if your suggesting that loving your fellow man (as in mankind - not as in gay sex) somehow equates to accepting salvation, following the will of the Lord and worshipping HIM.

Love fulfills the law by doing no harm. You won't find love fulfilling the law except by "doing no harm.

Really? Yet the law is repeatedly held in abeyance under the direct command of God. Or were orders to kill ever man, male child and non-virgin woman of the Midianites love that did no harm? There are multiple examples of that in the Bible too.

Oh - and since you want to quote Paul - and I find it quite funny given the original topic as well... perhaps you would like to address and explain Romans 1:27-32 - in which Paul clearly states that homosexuals - along with others - are "worthy of death". Kind of a harsh statement from a guy who later says "just love everybody", isn't it?

I can quote many scriptures that state "love does no harm, thus fulfills the law"....

Yes - just like everyone else can. But anyone can take something out of context to make it LOOK like something else. Its a favorite tactic of those who don't like what the Bible actually has to say - who feel it just doesn't fit their own personal morals. Its also readily transparent and easily pointed out.

As a Christian maybe you should learn this most important principle

And as someone who is doing your best to continue the perversion of the Christian faith by throwing out such misinformation - take a bit of correction. You forget or are intentionally ignoring the fact that Paul was writing to fellow believers and those who would be fellow believers. To seek to apply its tenents globally is yet another fallacy often put forth by those that seek to ultimately discredit the Word of God. Again - nice try - but its a failure.

Oh - and fulfill the law - remember Matthew 5:17 - we don't need to "fulfill the law" - for the Lord Jesus came and did exactly that.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Only wish they'd realize that themselves and give it up already and go back to lobbying for more torture or fighting for harsher jail sentences for children or clubbing to death baby seals or whatever the heck it is they're up to these days. You just never know with them, do you? Maybe we should be happy they've got gay marriage to distract them.

Please tell us who "they" are. You forgot to mention it. Please warn us so we can build a fence to keep "them" out. Or have "them" arrested for their crimes. Maybe there is an anti-virus available. If you know you must tell us so we can watch out for "them".

[Ducimus]

The video in this CNN article is too good to not share.

Video of North Carolina pastor's plan to 'get rid of' gays goes viral

I'm not sure which is worse. This Pastor, or the "Amen"s of approval from the sheeple.. err i mean flock.

[Jimbuna]

I had to view it to believe it

What is it with these NC "christians"?
Is there something in the water down there?

[Safe-Keeper]

Please tell us who "they" are.

"They" is a word used when you have described people earlier in the text. In this case, "they" refers to the people out there who are "lobbying for more torture or fighting for harsher jail sentences for children or clubbing to death baby seals or whatever the heck it is they're up to these days."

Happy?