China fake parts 'used in US military equipment'

Jimbuna · 05-22-12, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Harrier II also, British design and partially built in the UK.

Good one...the Harrier is the only plane designed in another country that the US have flown IIRC.

Herr-Berbunch · 05-22-12, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Good one...the Harrier is the only plane designed in another country that the US have flown IIRC.

Err, T-45 Goshawk - British, C-27 - Italian, C-41 - Spain, T-6 Texan designed on the Pilatus PC9 - Switzerland, TG-10 (glider for training) - Czech Republic, DA-40 - Austrian, Twin Otter - Canada.

Admittedly none of those feature highly when you think of US military aircraft, but nonetheless.

Edit: I admit that even with my almost encyclopaedic knowledge I had to turn to wiki for some.

Raptor1 · 05-22-12, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Err, T-45 Goshawk - British, C-27 - Italian, C-41 - Spain, T-6 Texan designed on the Pilatus PC9 - Switzerland, TG-10 (glider for training) - Czech Republic, DA-40 - Austrian, Twin Otter - Canada.

Admittedly none of those feature highly when you think of US military aircraft, but nonetheless.

Edit: I admit that even with my almost encyclopaedic knowledge I had to turn to wiki for some.

There's also the English Electric/Martin B-57 Canberra, as well as about twelve billion different French, British and other aircraft designs in and after World War I...

Herr-Berbunch · 05-22-12, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

There's also the English Electric/Martin B-57 Canberra, as well as about twelve billion different French, British and other aircraft designs in and after World War I...

I was just going through those in service - please tell me you've still got operational Canberras, please!

CaptainMattJ. · 05-22-12, 06:35 PM

Agreed. Im sick of extremely low quality "goods" from China. Id much rather pay a little extra for something that was built by a skilled labor workforce with higher standardization thats going to last me than some cheap low quality item thats going to break down on me earlier.

The chinese can still sell their low quality items to poorer nations. Im sure they need it. Why should we have to continue investing in China, when the Chinese are getting more and more aggressive by the minute. The only problem with pulling industry back to the United States and/or 1st world countries, is that corporations will start price gouging again because they now have to pay MINIMUM WAGE at the LEAST to their workers and start treating them decently (although id bet theyd just hire illegals to do the work anyway). The benefits of low-intervention capitalism are never ending, arent they?

Platapus · 05-23-12, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Agreed. Im sick of extremely low quality "goods" from China. Id much rather pay a little extra for something that was built by a skilled labor workforce with higher standardization thats going to last me than some cheap low quality item thats going to break down on me earlier.

Is it your position that workers in the United States always produce high quality products?

Just making stuff in the US is no guarantee that it will be high quality, just high price.

The solution is for the US government to have a better inspection system and to start holding international companies accountable for quality.

Stealhead · 05-23-12, 04:21 PM

I question how well they do that for anything they get from a US contractor as it is.I have an old high school friend(we are rather different now to say the least) that works for a company that producers wire of various types some of it for use in aircraft some for use in generators things of this nature they have that fancy ISO 9001 and AS9100 rating and supply to the military but I have no idea how because most of the employees are drug addicts and they are constantly firing workers for theft yet they make supposedly quality products

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My old friend brags about how they falsify work orders all the time because now one really checks they often will send out 10,000ft of wire that they know is crap again because no one is checking I am sorry but a company that has an ISO 9001 rating yet does not drug test its employees and leaves them under little to know supervision has no business having an ISO 9001 rating.Oh and they also employ lots of green card holders as well because they get a tax break for doing it they are probably the best workers though but still I dislike that a company employs green card holders just for the tax break nothing wrong with employing an honest immigrant but not like that.

If one American company does it I am sure that others do as well.

Oberon · 05-22-12, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

I was just going through those in service - please tell me you've still got operational Canberras, please!

That doesn't narrow it down a lot Herr B, those old workhorses only stopped working a few years ago!

Not bad for an aircraft who had its first flight in the closing months of the 1940s! I think the only other aircraft who can make that kind of claim now is the B-52.

EDIT: I stand corrected, apparently the legendary Bear has also been going since the fifties, as has the C-130 and KC-135

05-22-12, 06:35 PM	#5
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	Agreed. Im sick of extremely low quality "goods" from China. Id much rather pay a little extra for something that was built by a skilled labor workforce with higher standardization thats going to last me than some cheap low quality item thats going to break down on me earlier. The chinese can still sell their low quality items to poorer nations. Im sure they need it. Why should we have to continue investing in China, when the Chinese are getting more and more aggressive by the minute. The only problem with pulling industry back to the United States and/or 1st world countries, is that corporations will start price gouging again because they now have to pay MINIMUM WAGE at the LEAST to their workers and start treating them decently (although id bet theyd just hire illegals to do the work anyway). The benefits of low-intervention capitalism are never ending, arent they? __________________ A popular Government without popular information nor the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives - James Madison

05-23-12, 04:21 PM	#7
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I question how well they do that for anything they get from a US contractor as it is.I have an old high school friend(we are rather different now to say the least) that works for a company that producers wire of various types some of it for use in aircraft some for use in generators things of this nature they have that fancy ISO 9001 and AS9100 rating and supply to the military but I have no idea how because most of the employees are drug addicts and they are constantly firing workers for theft yet they make supposedly quality products . My old friend brags about how they falsify work orders all the time because now one really checks they often will send out 10,000ft of wire that they know is crap again because no one is checking I am sorry but a company that has an ISO 9001 rating yet does not drug test its employees and leaves them under little to know supervision has no business having an ISO 9001 rating.Oh and they also employ lots of green card holders as well because they get a tax break for doing it they are probably the best workers though but still I dislike that a company employs green card holders just for the tax break nothing wrong with employing an honest immigrant but not like that. If one American company does it I am sure that others do as well.