Why don't people wear their seat belts? - Page 3

antikristuseke · 05-19-12, 01:18 AM

I disagree with mandatory helmet laws but agree with seatbelt ones.

The reason is simple, if you crash a bike without a helmet you are no more of a risk to others than with a helmet. Crash a car without wearing your seatbelt and you will become a safety risk for others because you become a projectile.

Stealhead · 05-19-12, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

I disagree with mandatory helmet laws but agree with seatbelt ones.

The reason is simple, if you crash a bike without a helmet you are no more of a risk to others than with a helmet. Crash a car without wearing your seatbelt and you will become a safety risk for others because you become a projectile.

And what of the person who was not wearing a helmet and and they suffer brain damage and now society has to pay for their care not to mention the increase in insurance costs that everyone gets to share. People do not die in every motorbike crash even the ones not wearing helmets.

Sure motorcycles are dangerous but much more so without a helmet there are accidents that wearing a helmet will save your life or save you from permanent disabling head injuries or from your face getting skinned off by the road.It cant save you from everything just like a seat belt can not but would you think a solider was stupid for not wearing every bit of armor possible even though it can not stop everything either better something than nothing.

the way I see if an event has a good chance of occurring you might as well protect yourself as much as possible there are plenty of vehicle accidents so such a thing is likely.A cop or solider is much more likely to get shot at than the average Joe so might as well wear body armor.

antikristuseke · 05-19-12, 01:36 AM

That is an indirect thing, though I see your point. Then again some times the gene pool needs a bit of chlorine, if that is by peoples own action and choise so much the better.

Stealhead · 05-19-12, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

That is an indirect thing, though I see your point. Then again some times the gene pool needs a bit of chlorine, if that is by peoples own action and choise so much the better.

So you want some guy that is stupid enough to not wear a helmet suffer brain damage now he cant work and he will collect disability for the rest of his life perhaps need care as well now some form of insurance must cover all this so via taxes or private insurance you will get to pay for his mistake to some extent.

I'd rather have laws that stop at least some from doing what is described above and let disease and DNA itself do its work.

Also nearly every person on this planet has done at least one stupid thing in their life that might have killed them so if doing a foolish thing that may harm or kill yourself is worthy of your genes being removed from the pool then we would not be around.

Sailor Steve · 05-19-12, 09:16 AM

So maybe we need to outlaw anything that can harm us - cigarettes, fatty foods, skateboards? You seem to want to pick and choose your dangers. Motorcycles? Flight? Everything?

No, just the little ones you think you can affect without incurring the wrath of everyone you're trying to control.

Kaye T. Bai · 05-19-12, 09:30 AM

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When people tell me that it is uncomfortable, I usually ask them if they think it would be more comfortable to have their sternum impaled by the steering collumn.

True that.

antikristuseke · 05-19-12, 09:34 AM

Steelhead, no, I do not want that, but if someone decides to taake it upon them-self to increase the likelyhood of permanent injury or death by their own action then it is their call to do so.

Also I never said that every stupid move should result in leaving the gene pool, survival has an element of chance in it, but in the long run that balances out. Hell, I have been in several situations where I could have ended up dead due to my own stupidity, had I died, that would have all been fair enough in my book.

As to rest of society paying for someones mistake, well yes, that happens, humans are social beings and at times we do pay for the mistakes of others, like it or not, but it is still better to leave people as much freedom what to do with their life as possible.

Stealhead · 05-19-12, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So maybe we need to outlaw anything that can harm us - cigarettes, fatty foods, skateboards? You seem to want to pick and choose your dangers. Motorcycles? Flight? Everything?

No, just the little ones you think you can affect without incurring the wrath of everyone you're trying to control.

Well if we outlawed everything that is harmful then that would mean outlawing being alive as well seeing as sooner or later we will all die our DNA is also coded to kill us.

Actually it is an instinct to pick and choose dangers fight or flight for all living things including humans.A starving animal may choose to take a greater risk in order to feed than it does under normal circumstances.

As to human activities sure many are possibly dangerous but you can reduce the risk by not attempting something beyond your skill/experience level when it comes to something like riding motorcycles or on a skateboard.

Sailor Steve · 05-19-12, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

As to human activities sure many are possibly dangerous but you can reduce the risk by not attempting something beyond your skill/experience level when it comes to something like riding motorcycles or on a skateboard.

That's good advice, and when it comes to motorcycles and automobiles you have to prove at least a minimal skill level to be awarded a license to operate them on public streets. This is to minimize the danger to others. As for danger to ourselves? As I said, I think you're an idiot if you don't protect yourself, but it's not my place to force you to. Stupidity is one of the basic freedoms.

Stealhead · 05-19-12, 03:17 PM

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Stupidity is one of the basic freedoms.

Maybe that explains all of the worlds problems then of course at the same time many people gain power because others are stupid enough to allow them to so the stupidity benefits someone.

MH · 05-19-12, 03:19 PM

So here natural selection comes into play....that's way smart people want as many idiots as possible to be alive.

Stealhead · 05-19-12, 03:27 PM

Speaking of everyday activities being dangerous I wonder how many people have died from choking to death because they tried to swallow too large a morsel?

kraznyi_oktjabr · 05-19-12, 03:54 PM

In head-on collision - guess where that idiot not wearing seatbelt is going to?

Thats right - directly to you or your passenger.

If not wearing seatbelt would only cause harm to person refusing to use it I wouldn't care. Unfortunately they are danger to others when accidents happen and are most likely causing the society unnecessary expense.

I don't mind if they pay that potential extra expense in fines beforehand.

Onkel Neal · 05-19-12, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

I disagree with mandatory helmet laws but agree with seatbelt ones.

The reason is simple, if you crash a bike without a helmet you are no more of a risk to others than with a helmet. Crash a car without wearing your seatbelt and you will become a safety risk for others because you become a projectile.

It's not all just about the risk to the individual. I guarantee you over 50% of MC riders have no kind of insurance to cover the medical bills when they crack their skulls. You and I are paying from them.

Now, if we agree to a system where the first responders check the injured party for insurance, I would be ok with no helmet law.

"He looks pretty bad, broken leg, shoulder, probable concussion and head injuries. Bob, check his driver's license, does he have the medical insurance box checked?"

"No, George, he does not. Apparently he can afford a $28,000 Harley, $40 HD shirt, $20 doo-rag, and some pretty extensive tattoo work, but he didn't think it was important to pay for insurance or a helmet."

"Ah, well, let's go. (shouts at downed rider) Good luck, buddy!"

Stealhead · 05-19-12, 04:31 PM

The "wallet biopsy" they do not do that and I argue that such a thing would discriminate against any person who lacks medical insurance.Should a 6 year old kid receive no aid if his arm gets broken and his parents have no insurance?

Now if you mean a "wallet biopsy" on a person who clearly has the coin that is a different story.

05-19-12, 09:16 AM	#35
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	So maybe we need to outlaw anything that can harm us - cigarettes, fatty foods, skateboards? You seem to want to pick and choose your dangers. Motorcycles? Flight? Everything? No, just the little ones you think you can affect without incurring the wrath of everyone you're trying to control. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-19-12, 03:54 PM	#43
kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	In head-on collision - guess where that idiot not wearing seatbelt is going to? Thats right - directly to you or your passenger. If not wearing seatbelt would only cause harm to person refusing to use it I wouldn't care. Unfortunately they are danger to others when accidents happen and are most likely causing the society unnecessary expense. I don't mind if they pay that potential extra expense in fines beforehand. __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House

05-19-12, 01:18 AM	#31
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I disagree with mandatory helmet laws but agree with seatbelt ones. The reason is simple, if you crash a bike without a helmet you are no more of a risk to others than with a helmet. Crash a car without wearing your seatbelt and you will become a safety risk for others because you become a projectile.

05-19-12, 01:36 AM	#33
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	That is an indirect thing, though I see your point. Then again some times the gene pool needs a bit of chlorine, if that is by peoples own action and choise so much the better.

05-19-12, 09:34 AM	#37
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Steelhead, no, I do not want that, but if someone decides to taake it upon them-self to increase the likelyhood of permanent injury or death by their own action then it is their call to do so. Also I never said that every stupid move should result in leaving the gene pool, survival has an element of chance in it, but in the long run that balances out. Hell, I have been in several situations where I could have ended up dead due to my own stupidity, had I died, that would have all been fair enough in my book. As to rest of society paying for someones mistake, well yes, that happens, humans are social beings and at times we do pay for the mistakes of others, like it or not, but it is still better to leave people as much freedom what to do with their life as possible.

05-19-12, 03:19 PM	#41
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	So here natural selection comes into play....that's way smart people want as many idiots as possible to be alive.

05-19-12, 03:27 PM	#42
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Speaking of everyday activities being dangerous I wonder how many people have died from choking to death because they tried to swallow too large a morsel?

05-19-12, 04:31 PM	#45
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The "wallet biopsy" they do not do that and I argue that such a thing would discriminate against any person who lacks medical insurance.Should a 6 year old kid receive no aid if his arm gets broken and his parents have no insurance? Now if you mean a "wallet biopsy" on a person who clearly has the coin that is a different story.