Gay marriage ban passes in NC

[Bilge_Rat]

Interesting poll on support for same-sex unions here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/pollin...CBjT_page.html#

you can break down the results and it shows the opposition to same-sex unions is greater among individuals who fit the following criterias:

-Republicans
-conservatives
-older
-less educated
-lower income
-white evangelical protestants
-support Tea Party

was'nt that the typical profile for members of the KKK?

[August]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Interesting poll on support for same-sex unions here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/pollin...CBjT_page.html#

you can break down the results and it shows the opposition to same-sex unions is greater among individuals who fit the following criterias:

-Republicans
-conservatives
-older
-less educated
-lower income
-white evangelical protestants
-support Tea Party

was'nt that the typical profile for members of the KKK?

I dunno does the other profile fit for members of the Black Panthers?

And what does this partisan run poll say about those who don't care if gays can form same sex unions but feel it should be called something besides marriage?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by August

And what does this partisan run poll say about those who don't care if gays can form same sex unions but feel it should be called something besides marriage?

Do you have your own partisan poll that shows substantially different results?

The big takeaway for me was the correlation between support and age, young people 18-39 show very strong support for same-sex unions, so it is only a matter of time before this issue is resolved once and for all.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Do you have your own partisan poll that shows substantially different results?

The big takeaway for me was the correlation between support and age, young people 18-39 show very strong support for same-sex unions, so it is only a matter of time before this issue is resolved once and for all.

That's my thinking on it too. The inexorable march of progress will leave the bigots behind when they die off.

[Blood_splat]

Marriage is between man and dog. It's in the holy book of canines.

Marriage is between man and dog.

So when he said his wife is a bitch......

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Blood_splat

Marriage is between man and dog. It's in the holy book of canines.

Considering the women I know, this man is a genius

[August]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Do you have your own partisan poll that shows substantially different results?

The polls that I look at are the only ones that count. Election results. Nearly every time the question has been put to the voters in an election referendum it's been defeated. I'd say that's pretty substantial, wouldn't you?

And you ignored my question. What about people (like me) who don't care if gays form a permanent union but just feel it should be called something other than "marriage"? That seems to be the major objection here yet it seems not to have been addressed in your poll.

The big takeaway for me was the correlation between support and age, young people 18-39 show very strong support for same-sex unions, so it is only a matter of time before this issue is resolved once and for all.

Well that's assuming that the poll is accurate. Given that it was run by the Washington Post and ABC it's a pretty safe bet that they had a preferred result already in mind when they conducted it. If a Fox news poll comes up with different results are you going to take it as gospel as well?

You are also assuming that these young peoples opinions will not "evolve" as our Presidents opinion recently did.

Originally Posted by Mookiemookie

That's my thinking on it too. The inexorable march of progress will leave the bigots behind when they die off.

What happens after our generation dies off is not our concern. The way it's going I don't see this country lasting much longer anyways. In any case why not stop with the personal insults? Are they really that necessary to make your point?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

In any case why not stop with the personal insults? Are they really that necessary to make your point?

If someone doesn't like being called a bigot, then they shouldn't engage in bigotry.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If someone doesn't like being called a bigot, then they shouldn't engage in bigotry.

Then maybe we should start calling you a bigot for your intolerance toward religion, conservatives, Republicans and several other groups that you have taken pains to insult here over the years.

That's the problem with name calling. It eliminates any chance of a peaceful discourse. It certainly does not make your arguments any more valid.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Do you have your own partisan poll that shows substantially different results?

So you admit your poll was partisan - thus negating any claim to its validity. At least your honest....

The big takeaway for me was the correlation between support and age, young people 18-39 show very strong support for same-sex unions, so it is only a matter of time before this issue is resolved once and for all.

Again - your showing your total ignorance of fact. College kids - even in the WNC liberal area of Asheville - UNCA students - broke even on this. Same goes for other areas of the state. Every breakdown politically showed that this was NOT "very strongly" supported by college kids. Keep repeating your mantra if it helps you believe it - but the facts don't bear it out. Do some research before you start making claims - and then back them up with the research from something other than a "partisan poll".

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

That's my thinking on it too. The inexorable march of progress will leave the bigots behind when they die off.

Thanks mookie - you just called me (and many others) a bigot. And whats worse - your doing it on merely the basis of your own viewpoint. This is why there can't be a decent discussion - when the left doesn't get its way, when it can't win a factual arguement - it resorts to namecalling. Thats sad - on so many levels.

You might also want to tone it done since personal insults are against the rules here as well...

If someone doesn't like being called a bigot, then they shouldn't engage in bigotry.

Then again - what do rules matter if they don't go along with what you lefties want?

[Ducimus]

My 2 cents worth on the subject of gay marriage in general:

- The argument of violating the sanctity of marriage is a bunch of crap. Straight people have been violating the sanctity of marriage for hundreds of years and continue to do so this day.

- I really don't care what Gay people want to do with their lives. It's their business, not mine. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend to tell them what they can or can't do in their pursuit of happiness, all i ask is they leave me out of their business.

- I'm not sure if its possible to separate marriage from religion. Religion tends to frown on homosexuality, and a marriage ceremony is typically conducted by a priest, pastor, bishop, etc etc. So gays may have to settle for a civil union of some sort by a judge or some legal official to gain the benefits of marriage, without the religious mumbo jumbo.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

That's my thinking on it too. The inexorable march of progress will leave the bigots behind when they die off.

Sometimes Mookie I think you will accept anything. Bigotry will forever be a part of society.

If someone doesn't like being called a bigot, then they shouldn't engage in bigotry.

Do your accept all comers and situations such as the gay marriage question? Do you unequivocal accept everything?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Then maybe we should start calling you a bigot for your intolerance toward religion, conservatives, Republicans and several other groups that you have taken pains to insult here over the years.

What religion someone subscribes to doesn't bother me in the least, so long as they keep it out of government. Being bigoted against a religion would require me to have an opinion on it, which I don't.

Being opposed to a political ideology makes you a bigot now? I guess you could lump everyone in GT into that one then.

That's the problem with name calling. It eliminates any chance of a peaceful discourse. It certainly does not make your arguments any more valid.

I have no respect for anyone who would deny human rights to another and I don't care to hear their justification for it. I don't need to validate my arguments because our innate nature as human beings and our inalienable rights already have done that.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Thanks mookie - you just called me (and many others) a bigot. And whats worse - your doing it on merely the basis of your own viewpoint. This is why there can't be a decent discussion - when the left doesn't get its way, when it can't win a factual arguement - it resorts to namecalling. Thats sad - on so many levels.

What's sad on so many levels is that people are still trying to justify denying people equal rights, and then getting offended when someone calls them out on it. Denying someone rights makes you a bigot. Discrimination makes you a bigot. If you don't want to be called one, don't discriminate against other people.

You're acting like I'm baselessly namecalling and telling people they're poopyheads or something. A bigot is a specific label for people who engage in specific behavior.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Do your accept all comers and situations such as the gay marriage question? Do you unequivocal accept everything?

I accept that if two consenting adults want to enter into a marriage contract with each other, their genders shouldn't matter. Who am I to tell someone that their love isn't as valid as someone else's?

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Being opposed to a political ideology makes you a bigot now? I guess you could lump everyone in GT into that one then.

According to the definition of bigotry that I read it does. That's the problem with personal insults. They usually can be applied in ways you may not personally agree with.