Gay marriage ban passes in NC

[Halgarre]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

From Popehat:



I can only hope that in 100 years, when today's bigots are long since dead, we'll be able to look back on these laws and shake our heads in disbelief.

I've tried really hard not to say anything in this thread because I'm "new" to posting here. I've been following this topic on a number of forums and the one thing they all have in common is bashing. How is it that people who say they just want people to be open minded are the first to begin slinging insults? inbred, marrying your cousin, redneck, saying hetro's are worried that they might be repressing they are gay so they attack gays, bestiality, bigots. I can name more but you get the idea.

I find it ironic that gays hide behind laws for "hate crimes" but they are the first to call people out with insults and hate, why is that?

To use one example: Gays say that the reason people are homophobic is because they are deep down gays themselves. So using that same analogy does that mean Gays are worried deep down inside they may be inbreeding rednecks who secretly have subscriptions to Guns and Ammo? and Offroad 4x4 ?

I think both sides need to stop with the insults, mudslinging and pointing fingers saying the other is closed minded and stop forcing your values and preferences onto me.

Get's off soapbox and ties a 88mm shell to it tossing it over the side.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Halgarre

I've tried really hard not to say anything in this thread because I'm "new" to posting here.

Welcome to Mos Eisley Cantina...aka GT.

[CaptainHaplo]

Welcome Halgarre!

[CaptainHaplo]

AngusJS...
First off - just because its on the internet doesn't make it true.....

The blog you quoted (and yes - the whole site is a blog - ideas and not necessarily facts) - is full of inaccuracies. I will point a couple of them out....

Insurance - NC requires minimum coverage - liability, personal injury and property damage minimums. Nothing in that stipulates it only includes "family members" only are covered. In fact, that would defeat the purpose. You reposted a complete fabrication and totally fell for it simply because it fit your agenda....

Civil Contracts - there is a HUGE difference between a civil contract between two parties for estate and wills, etc and one in which a murder is contracted. If you can't see that - as mookie says - thats just pants on head crazy! There is no reason a judge would overturn that IF the proper procedure has been followed. Wills and estate probates are regularly contested - regardless of whether people are married or not. The family doesn't approve of the spouse/bf/gf so they try to cut her/him out. So somehow because this is going to occur without "marriage" being part of it for a same sex couple is irrelevant. Your "source" has no knowledge of probate court in the state he is pontificating about - and is flat wrong. Its nothing but fearmongering.

Power of attorney - Again pure poppycock. As long as its registered and validly executed, a judge has to have a serious justification to overturn it. As for blood relatives having a "valid" complaint to overturn it - they have a right to try either way - regardless of if its a same sex couple, an unmarried couple, or even a married couple. Terry Shiavo is a perfect example - relatives have a right to input - regardless - and they were married! To claim this somehow weakens the right of anyone to get a power of attorney is simply untrue. Just like the earlier claims.

Seriously - its ok to not like the outcome - but posting lies about it won't do your cause any good.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Halgarre

I find it ironic that gays hide behind laws for "hate crimes" but they are the first to call people out with insults and hate, why is that?

Do you really think that everyone who speaks out in favour of same- sex marriage is gay? Do you think President Obama is gay?

To use one example: Gays say that the reason people are homophobic is because they are deep down gays themselves.

Where exactly in this thread has anyone said this? Do you have anything you want to say about yourself?

I think both sides need to stop with the insults, mudslinging and pointing fingers saying the other is closed minded and stop forcing your values and
preferences onto me.

What does that mean? Are you worried that if consenting adults are allowed to marry who they wish, that it will contaminate the rest of the population? Do you think homosexuality is a disease?

welcome to the GT by the way.

[Halgarre]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Do you really think that everyone who speaks out in favour of same- sex marriage is gay? Do you think President Obama is gay?

I don't know, I can't and won't speak for everyone else. I, myself don't care what people do or don't do. It's not my place to judge. I was stating that if I was to say a gay slur then I would be condemned for hating gays and a gay-basher. The same people who would have me arrested for hate crimes have zero qualms for bashing people of different opinions example redneck, bigot.etc.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Where exactly in this thread has anyone said this? Do you have anything you want to say about yourself?

No one had said it. To me it's a really lame analogy but it seems to be popular in the pro gay community. I think that if both sides weren't so defensive and just talked they may be surprised to find out they have more in common then not.

As for if I want to say anything about myself? I'll show you my 4x4 if you show me yours.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

What does that mean? Are you worried that if consenting adults are allowed to marry who they wish, that it will contaminate the rest of the population? Do you think homosexuality is a disease?

No, I think I explained myself pretty clearly. My biggest pet peeve in the world is a hypocrite. I live by a rule of Do what you say, Say what you do. If gays want me to respect them and their lifestyle and keep telling me to be open minded then they need to stop with the bashing themselves, it's counterproductive.

Do you think I'm going to sympathize with someone who just called me a inbred redneck? As I said before "I think both sides need to stop with the insults, mudslinging and pointing fingers saying the other is closed minded"

As one person said somewhere: Gays should be allowed to marry too, let them be as miserable as the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

welcome to the GT by the way.

What is GT? I googled it and I'm assuming your not saying welcome to Goodyear Tires or Guatemala.

[Takeda Shingen]

GT = General Topics. That would be this sub-forum.

[Halgarre]

Ahh ok, thanks.

I was stating that if I was to say a gay slur then I would be condemned for hating gays and a gay-basher. The same people who would have me arrested for hate crimes have zero qualms for bashing people of different opinions example redneck, bigot.etc.

Would you? It would all depend on the context it was used in and the intent.
I call people poofs, has anyone condemned me as as hating gays, has anyone suggested I get arrested for calling someone a screaming queen?

No one had said it. To me it's a really lame analogy but it seems to be popular in the pro gay community

I will say it, doesn't that ranting pastor from NC talking about the amendment I linked to remind you of Ted Haggard? do you think he is really just another brownhatter with issues?
And that is not "pro gay" its simply "not anti gay".

As one person said somewhere: Gays should be allowed to marry too, let them be as miserable as the rest of us.

Well put

[Bilge_Rat]

Interesting poll on support for same-sex unions here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/pollin...CBjT_page.html#

you can break down the results and it shows the opposition to same-sex unions is greater among individuals who fit the following criterias:

-Republicans
-conservatives
-older
-less educated
-lower income
-white evangelical protestants
-support Tea Party

was'nt that the typical profile for members of the KKK?