Property Rights vs 2A Rights....

[nikimcbee]

I've thought about getting a permit, but it seems like to much of a legal hassel IMO. I almost got one when I lived in Eugene (ore-gone), because our neighbors had been broken into twice. And they have a crime problem with meth-heads.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I've thought about getting a permit, but it seems like to much of a legal hassel IMO. I almost got one when I lived in Eugene (ore-gone), because our neighbors had been broken into twice. And they have a crime problem with meth-heads.

But they've been fine since you've moved away...

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

But they've been fine since you've moved away...

They are all in jail.

[Morts]

If its private property, wouldnt the owner(s) be able to dictate whether or not you can carry a weapon there ?

[August]

Originally Posted by Morts

If its private property, wouldnt the owner(s) be able to dictate whether or not you can carry a weapon there ?

I would have thought so as well but apparently not although i'll bet the laws on this vary quite a bit from state to state.

[geetrue]

What about all of those signs that say; "No shirt, no shoes, no service"

even though feet are legal they must be constrained by at least a pair of flip flops.

Respect the law or pay the fine is what I would choose.

Arizona has a right to carry law for everyone in the state ...

Left over from the old west days, unloaded is the preferred method,
but you can even carry one resting in the front seat as long as it is out in the open.

Same with on your hip as long as it is out in the open.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Osmium Steele

We need an eyeroll emoticon.

[Platapus]

In Virginia (both North and South), you are not allowed to carry a concealed weapon, even with a permit, into or onto private property where the owner has posted that weapons are not allowed.

Code of Virginia 18.2-308 (O)

The granting of a concealed handgun permit shall not thereby authorize the possession of any handgun or other weapon on property or in places where such possession is otherwise prohibited by law or is prohibited by the owner of private property.

As always, different states have different laws.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

[...]like that hotel owner who got sued because he refused to have a couple of poofs on his property

Are you referring to the case in Germany, where the hotel owner got sued because he refused to accomidate members of a Nazi party? This guy won the lawsuit against the NPD as he didn't discriminate them on gender, race, religion, etc., but refered to his right to do business with anyone he wants and vice versa.

Originally Posted by Platapus

In Virginia (both North and South), you are not allowed to carry a concealed weapon, even with a permit, into or onto private property where the owner has posted that weapons are not allowed.

Code of Virginia 18.2-308 (O)

I took the time to check out the text (I hate "Law English"!) and noticed that it seems to include businesses open to the public, it states it excepts the business owner (B.1), however nothing is said that customers are an exception.
This would also be my argument why stores can refuse to serve people with CCWs: the rights of the business owner. In the US you sometimes can see signs stating: "We chose the right to refuse service", afaik they are still legal as long as the stores don't refuse the service because of the reasons stated in the 14th Amendment, which are clearly defined.
So in reverse, discrimination based on clothes ("no shirt no service", tie rules in restaurants, "appropriate" clothes in clubs) or guns seems to be legal. Everything else would go against the freedom of enterprise the store owner has, the freedom to do business with who they want.

Some odd observations about § 18.2-308:
- you still are allowed to carry a crossbow
- The Harbormaster of the City of Hopewell seems to have special privileges in comparision to his fellow Harbor Masters (C.6) - maybe he made a generous donation (or I don't get his special role, in this case the laugh's on me )

[andy_311]

Your not allowed to carry a firearm period in the UK.