sub choice dilema

bigboywooly · 04-27-12, 10:46 AM

Always used the IX
Prefer those to the VII
Of course a lumbering giant is no good later in the war but I never get that far so

Raptor · 04-27-12, 11:28 AM

Just tested and proved my theory: I started in April 1943 in the 7th/13th flotilla and got a VIIC. Made a short harbor patrol and exited. Requested transfer to the 10th flotilla, which was granted.

If you are driving a VII when you transfer to the 10th flotilla, you get to keep it.

You will have the option to switch to any type IX once transferred, but you don't have to do so. However, there are no type VII boats available, and if you give up your type VII, you can't get it back in that flotilla.

Sailor Steve · 04-27-12, 11:52 AM

Ever since SH1 I've been in the habit of running multiple careers, one from each available flotilla. I keep a record of who is where and when, and run one full patrol before switching to the oldest one again.

For me this is both more and less realistic at the same time. Less, because obviously no one can really be two different people and have different lives, but more because realistically captains didn't ordinarily get to choose what type of boat they would command; they took what they were assigned. Realistically you should roll a die and use the result to choose between the available commands, taking what fate deals you. I can't do that, and I can't bring myself to choose what I know I couldn't really choose, so I take the option to do them all at the same time.

pickler · 04-27-12, 01:22 PM

thanks for all the responses. the majority here seem to agree that vii is just a better boat and yes i do keep my viic uflak in 10th flotilla. while the guns are great on this boat and no aircraft managed to sink me so far, i have a major issue:
i completed my first patrol from penang heading to Arabian sea and the swimming up to the Oman sea close to strait of hormuz. thats where i picked up a small convoy of 4 large tankers unescorted!! i dispensed all my torpedos to sink them and then headed home. on the way home i ran into a similar convoy but i could not do much without torpedos.

this is why im considering an ixc40; firepower. but i should also mention that i met lots of lancaster bombers in that patrol. i really like to see 1945 as i have never survived past '43 let alone with 170k tons.

Raptor · 04-27-12, 03:49 PM

And you are taking on aircraft deliberately why?

The U-flak concept proved to be almost worthless in real life. The gain just wasn't worth the pain. The tactical value of the few aircraft shot down was dwarfed by the loss of life amongst the gunners and damage to the boats sustained during "the great turkey shoot". There's a reason Donitz scrapped the project and returned the 4 flak boats to their regular configurations.

I've never tested it, but the drag of the increasingly larger turms (towers) with their extra weaponry had a serious negative effect on both diving times and underwater maximum speed of the boats.

Does anyone know if either SH3 or GWX models that effect?

pickler · 04-27-12, 06:24 PM

im not sure but the upgrade feom viib to viic was a penalty in performance both dive times and underwater speed. did not notice much with coning tower 4 upgrade. i have shot down every aircraft that i took onwith uflak and taken 20-30% hull damage eah time. but the manuverabilty is great and bombs always fall just short. once aircraft is picked up i align my course 90' prependicular to aircraft path at ahead flank. once the aircraft dives i go hard turn towards aircraft. this is of course for the bigger aircrafts like lancaster. i crash dive when smaller aircraft like hurricane arrive as they are too small and fast to hit. im thinking the best way to solve this problem is to avoid it...save my renown and get the type xxi at Bergen in less than a year. 1944 is coming and my slow viic is not ready for the hedgcog under water.

Raptor · 04-27-12, 07:30 PM

According to the .cfg files, the C series (C, C/41, and C/42) is 3 seconds faster diving but its underwater range at 4 knots in 10 nm less than that of the B.

VIIB:
dive time 30 seconds
underwater range = 90 nm at 4 knots

VIIC, C/41, and C/42:
dive time = 27 seconds

underwater range = 80 nm at 4 knots

All VII varieties have the same 150 meter crush depth vs. 165 meters for the type IX varieties.

04-27-12, 10:46 AM	#1
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Always used the IX Prefer those to the VII Of course a lumbering giant is no good later in the war but I never get that far so __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

04-27-12, 11:28 AM	#2
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Just tested and proved my theory: I started in April 1943 in the 7th/13th flotilla and got a VIIC. Made a short harbor patrol and exited. Requested transfer to the 10th flotilla, which was granted. If you are driving a VII when you transfer to the 10th flotilla, you get to keep it. You will have the option to switch to any type IX once transferred, but you don't have to do so. However, there are no type VII boats available, and if you give up your type VII, you can't get it back in that flotilla. __________________ Raptor

04-27-12, 11:52 AM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Ever since SH1 I've been in the habit of running multiple careers, one from each available flotilla. I keep a record of who is where and when, and run one full patrol before switching to the oldest one again. For me this is both more and less realistic at the same time. Less, because obviously no one can really be two different people and have different lives, but more because realistically captains didn't ordinarily get to choose what type of boat they would command; they took what they were assigned. Realistically you should roll a die and use the result to choose between the available commands, taking what fate deals you. I can't do that, and I can't bring myself to choose what I know I couldn't really choose, so I take the option to do them all at the same time. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

04-27-12, 03:49 PM	#5
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	And you are taking on aircraft deliberately why? The U-flak concept proved to be almost worthless in real life. The gain just wasn't worth the pain. The tactical value of the few aircraft shot down was dwarfed by the loss of life amongst the gunners and damage to the boats sustained during "the great turkey shoot". There's a reason Donitz scrapped the project and returned the 4 flak boats to their regular configurations. I've never tested it, but the drag of the increasingly larger turms (towers) with their extra weaponry had a serious negative effect on both diving times and underwater maximum speed of the boats. Does anyone know if either SH3 or GWX models that effect? __________________ Raptor Last edited by Raptor; 04-27-12 at 05:37 PM.

04-27-12, 07:30 PM	#7
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	According to the .cfg files, the C series (C, C/41, and C/42) is 3 seconds faster diving but its underwater range at 4 knots in 10 nm less than that of the B. VIIB: dive time 30 seconds underwater range = 90 nm at 4 knots VIIC, C/41, and C/42: dive time = 27 seconds underwater range = 80 nm at 4 knots All VII varieties have the same 150 meter crush depth vs. 165 meters for the type IX varieties. __________________ Raptor

04-27-12, 01:22 PM	#4
pickler Sailor man Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 47 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	thanks for all the responses. the majority here seem to agree that vii is just a better boat and yes i do keep my viic uflak in 10th flotilla. while the guns are great on this boat and no aircraft managed to sink me so far, i have a major issue: i completed my first patrol from penang heading to Arabian sea and the swimming up to the Oman sea close to strait of hormuz. thats where i picked up a small convoy of 4 large tankers unescorted!! i dispensed all my torpedos to sink them and then headed home. on the way home i ran into a similar convoy but i could not do much without torpedos. this is why im considering an ixc40; firepower. but i should also mention that i met lots of lancaster bombers in that patrol. i really like to see 1945 as i have never survived past '43 let alone with 170k tons.

04-27-12, 06:24 PM	#6
pickler Sailor man Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 47 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	im not sure but the upgrade feom viib to viic was a penalty in performance both dive times and underwater speed. did not notice much with coning tower 4 upgrade. i have shot down every aircraft that i took onwith uflak and taken 20-30% hull damage eah time. but the manuverabilty is great and bombs always fall just short. once aircraft is picked up i align my course 90' prependicular to aircraft path at ahead flank. once the aircraft dives i go hard turn towards aircraft. this is of course for the bigger aircrafts like lancaster. i crash dive when smaller aircraft like hurricane arrive as they are too small and fast to hit. im thinking the best way to solve this problem is to avoid it...save my renown and get the type xxi at Bergen in less than a year. 1944 is coming and my slow viic is not ready for the hedgcog under water.