Arizona Immigration Law in the hands of the Supreme Court.Ah, Scalia is the best.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Swim across the Rio Grande, or jump a fence. Find another mexi to mate with, have an anchor baby, and live on the government teat for life.

On my tax money.

A great many illegals come here, get jobs, live productive lives and pay taxes.

I'm not sayin' that makes it legal, and I'm not sayin' that makes it right.

I'm just sayin'.

A lot of people born here live on the government dole too, including myself.

Oh, and I also agree with Arizona's law.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

A great many illegals come here, get jobs, live productive lives and pay taxes.

So do legals.

Being a relative of a permanent resident, I consider giving illegals a slack as a slap into the faces of all legal immigrants.

If the economy needs more immigrants, one should overhaul the immigration laws. Though, businesses don't care where an employee comes from, but are in desire for people who work for pennies. As a welcome side effect it also puts pressure on legal workers, keeps their preposterous demands - like fair wages or labor rights - down.

Nothing against the individuals who try to get a better live, they just do what most of us would do when living in poverty. They are the ones who get the short end of the stick from all stick holders.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Penguin

I consider giving illegals a slack as a slap into the faces of all legal immigrants.

^ THIS

My mother is a naturalized citizen - all the hard work and effort, hours of studying learning our history, our government and our language (not too hard bc she was born in Germany - but still), and someone who wants to sneak across a border ILLEGALLY and then expects that everyone should just turn a blind eye - its insane.

[CaptainMattJ.]

as if allowing them to come here and take jobs that most american ADULTS may not have wanted to do, but now with the massive tuition hikes and cost of living up, that i could find you a teen practically anywhere willing to work for minimum wage. I am one of them. Its potentially going to cost me, in the end, 100,000 dollars to finish getting my college degree. ANYTHING in between now and the diploma that can earn me a salary is absolutely welcome.

But thats something that is beyond my reach currently. beyond the reach of MANY citizens that cant find work based on the fact that Illegals are causing incredible over-saturation of the Job market. No one said life would be easy, not in any way, but no one ever said that theyd STRIVE to make it harder just to allow some people to selectively break law because theyre afraid of being deemed racist. OH, and here in California now, we have the DREAM ACT. A bill that will take scholarship money from the CITIZENS and allow illegals to access it instead. It ALSO makes the citizen have a much harder time enrolling.

Not to mention that the MILLIONS that have illegally immigrated are causing the standard of living to take a hit. in many areas. Many illegals live in poverty,which means increased crime as well as overall standards of living going down, plus the families that have to completely lower their expectations to compete with illegal immigrants working for pennies, also lowering standards. And then theres the fact that many people cant find jobs, leaving THEM in poverty, which increases welfare rates and also lowers overall standard of living. All of this poverty and low wages tends to produce crime, and welfare costs, and general poor conditions.


I hope that Arizona wins this ridiculous, futile attempt to tell a state what they can and cant do regarding state policy on grounds that have ZERO foundation, like the argument the illegals throw. Some throw arguments about their anchor babies, some throw arguments about their rights (which they have no entitlement to anyways because they arent citizens), ect.

I hope that Arizona wins because it will show that we CAN win the fight against the immigration standards, and it might encourage more states to act justly. On this issue, im completely parted from the kumbaya democrats.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Penguin

So do legals.

Yes they do, but you seem to have missed my point. I don't like illegals at all, but the post I commented on seemed to express the opinion that all illegals are lazy slackers looking for a free ride. I addressed that idea only, and nothing else. In everything else you said we are in complete agreement.

@CaptainMattJ.

Some throw arguments about their anchor babies, some throw arguments about their rights (which they have no entitlement to anyways because they arent citizens), ect.

Think about that line.

@Soopa

I will say there is nothing wrong with Arizonas law.

I will say there is plenty wrong with Arizonas law, I will say the same as I said when it was put up...it isn't workable.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

@CaptainMattJ.

Think about that line.

AH! its sort of a play on words. I meant to say them separately.

As in, their argument for anchor babies may be valid under the constitution, but it doesnt mean its a good argument for coming here illegally

And seperate from the previous statement, some illegal immigrants not born here try to argue that its somehow their right to be here and such, however they arent US citizens and therefore do not qualify for protection of their rights under the constitution (AFAIK)


unless you were trying to point something else out that i missed?

unless you were trying to point something else out that i missed?

What you missed was that everyone has rights even criminals, illegal immigrants and non citizens.
I am curious as to what you mean by...."some illegal immigrants not born here try to argue that its somehow their right to be here and such"....could you elaborate on those attempted arguements and what specific rights they are trying to claim?

[Sailor Steve]

Appart from the misstatement about "illegal immigrants not born here" (it's kind of hard to be an immigrant to the country you were born in) I have to agree with Matt. Yes, immigrants, even illegal ones, have certain rights. One of those rights is not to enter another country illegally. If I come to Ireland I still have the right to travel freely. I also have the right to medical care if I need it. I don't have the right to actually be there, and your government does have the right to kick me out if they want to. If I sneak in I have no right to travel freely or to anything else but arrest and deportation. I think that's what CaptainMattJ was trying to say.