External USB TDC panel - wouldn't it be awesome?

[Missing Name]

Originally Posted by Harald_Lange

If I won the lottery I'd build a life size type ix interior, supported on hydraulic pistons like a flight simulator, with a conning tower that was covered in one of those imax 360 cinemas to project the ocean. I'd attach some high tech surround sound system to simulate the creaks and groans and depth charge attacks would jolt you around inside.

I think it would have to be a rollover lottery win though :-)

Hell, if I win the lottery, I'll build a whole Type IX!

Originally Posted by Missing Name

Hell, if I win the lottery, I'll build a whole Type IX!

wonder what the cost would be???

[palatum]

The probability for you to win the lottery is about the same as for me to get my USB elektro-mechanical TDC finished this century

Uboat command room... mmmmmmmm... with 360' screens on bridge and periscope view...
:drool:

[Missing Name]

Originally Posted by USNSRCaseySmith

wonder what the cost would be???

To be honest, I'm pretty much pulling this out of... somewhere the sun doesn't shine. The cost of a Type VII is not exactly easy to find.

A brand new Type 214 submarine cost about $330 million US in 2008. It weighs about 1700 tons.

A brand new Type VIIB u-boat cost about 4.8 million RM, with rough conversion to today's money is $182.3 million US. That weighed 750 tons. A Type IX would cost much more (bigger, more equipment, etc). For arbitrary sake, let's say a IXB cost 50% more, for $273 million. They weighed 1050 tons.

But except for "F=ma," technology is no longer at 1940 standards!

More efficient and powerful propulsion could be fitted to the IX. Batteries have advanced in weight and capacity since WWII, if more expensive.

Weapons (armament and launching systems, guidance) have become more and more expensive, if looking at the US Navy budget is any indicator. Radar and sonar... also exponentially expensive.

Modern subs need to go deep. Really deep... make the IX's skin thicker with higher quality steel. That would also necessitate better depth-keeping equipment (ballast regulation, compressors, etc) lest we repeat USS Thresher. Add in extensive streamlining if we want better underwater performance... pretty pennies right there.

My head hurts now. All my idle sketches of "Type IXH/2030" modernized u-boats are getting more and more expensive. My newest estimate at cost is $300 million in 2008. $320 million for inflation.

The largest US Mega Millions lottery paid out $462 million off the bat, before enormous taxes. New York taxes would leave you with $420 million.

...the lottery will be enough. Maybe.

[Harald_Lange]

Originally Posted by Missing Name

To be honest, I'm pretty much pulling this out of... somewhere the sun doesn't shine. The cost of a Type VII is not exactly easy to find.

A brand new Type 214 submarine cost about $330 million US in 2008. It weighs about 1700 tons.

A brand new Type VIIB u-boat cost about 4.8 million RM, with rough conversion to today's money is $182.3 million US. That weighed 750 tons. A Type IX would cost much more (bigger, more equipment, etc). For arbitrary sake, let's say a IXB cost 50% more, for $273 million. They weighed 1050 tons.

But except for "F=ma," technology is no longer at 1940 standards!

More efficient and powerful propulsion could be fitted to the IX. Batteries have advanced in weight and capacity since WWII, if more expensive.

Weapons (armament and launching systems, guidance) have become more and more expensive, if looking at the US Navy budget is any indicator. Radar and sonar... also exponentially expensive.

Modern subs need to go deep. Really deep... make the IX's skin thicker with higher quality steel. That would also necessitate better depth-keeping equipment (ballast regulation, compressors, etc) lest we repeat USS Thresher. Add in extensive streamlining if we want better underwater performance... pretty pennies right there.

My head hurts now. All my idle sketches of "Type IXH/2030" modernized u-boats are getting more and more expensive. My newest estimate at cost is $300 million in 2008. $320 million for inflation.

The largest US Mega Millions lottery paid out $462 million off the bat, before enormous taxes. New York taxes would leave you with $420 million.

...the lottery will be enough. Maybe.

Thinking about it, I'd probably just get a bigger screen then...

[Fubar2Niner]

Originally Posted by Harald_Lange

Thinking about it, I'd probably just get a bigger screen then...

Good idea

Best regards.

Fubar2Niner

[Sailor Steve]

If I won the lottery I'd hire a team and create a new subsim, the way I think it should be done.

Of course I'd get a lot of flak from people who hated it and thought I should have done this, that and the other thing differently.

Originally Posted by Missing Name

To be honest, I'm pretty much pulling this out of... somewhere the sun doesn't shine. The cost of a Type VII is not exactly easy to find.

A brand new Type 214 submarine cost about $330 million US in 2008. It weighs about 1700 tons.

A brand new Type VIIB u-boat cost about 4.8 million RM, with rough conversion to today's money is $182.3 million US. That weighed 750 tons. A Type IX would cost much more (bigger, more equipment, etc). For arbitrary sake, let's say a IXB cost 50% more, for $273 million. They weighed 1050 tons.

But except for "F=ma," technology is no longer at 1940 standards!

More efficient and powerful propulsion could be fitted to the IX. Batteries have advanced in weight and capacity since WWII, if more expensive.

Weapons (armament and launching systems, guidance) have become more and more expensive, if looking at the US Navy budget is any indicator. Radar and sonar... also exponentially expensive.

Modern subs need to go deep. Really deep... make the IX's skin thicker with higher quality steel. That would also necessitate better depth-keeping equipment (ballast regulation, compressors, etc) lest we repeat USS Thresher. Add in extensive streamlining if we want better underwater performance... pretty pennies right there.

My head hurts now. All my idle sketches of "Type IXH/2030" modernized u-boats are getting more and more expensive. My newest estimate at cost is $300 million in 2008. $320 million for inflation.

The largest US Mega Millions lottery paid out $462 million off the bat, before enormous taxes. New York taxes would leave you with $420 million.

...the lottery will be enough. Maybe.

Well what about for a.. whats the word, I'll call it vintage 1940's era Type VII or Type IX, I mean basically a working replica, with the same tech or close to the same tech. Because I know a good chunk of that cost has to be the modernized equipment and upgrades.

[palatum]

http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/

Check this site out. It's about a danish fellow, Peter Madsen, who builds his own working submarines. Mainly for those of us who are low on funding. And luck...

-pal

[Sailor Steve]

We have a member, McBeck, who is a part of that team. The 2009 Subsim Meet was in Copenhagen and part of the deal was a ride on Nautilus.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=238

[andwii]

Here is a link to peters mini uboat... thing.

http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/KRAKA.htm

[Hitman]

I must say I have only rarely seen such a well greased collective effort to derail a thread from its original object

So, back to that:

Just had a early sunday morning crazy idea. Like the title says; having a replica (or homemade) TDC panel connected to your PC through USB, and then you could do the torpedo settings on this panel.
I have absolutely NO idea how this could work in terms of programming... Correction: I have absolutely NO idea hoe this could work, whatsoever...

But it would be awesome to have a 22x22 inch TDC panel connected

Actually there is a chance to do something like that but much more easily. Ther racing simulators have been having it for a long time, and the only difficulty is that it needs a plug-in to allow it to read what the game is actually doing. Look here:





H.Sie and Stiebler *might* have a clue about that, but they are busy with other stuff. In SH5 this shouldn't be that difficult to implement, probably TheDrakWraith would know how to.

[palatum]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I must say I have only rarely seen such a well greased collective effort to derail a thread from its original object

So, back to that:
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Thank you, Hitman!! I feel relieved! Like the geeky schoolkid who has been rescued from a crowd of bulliers from a friendly stranger

Originally Posted by Hitman

Actually there is a chance to do something like that but much more easily. Ther racing simulators have been having it for a long time, and the only difficulty is that it needs a plug-in to allow it to read what the game is actually doing. Look here:





H.Sie and Stiebler *might* have a clue about that, but they are busy with other stuff. In SH5 this shouldn't be that difficult to implement, probably TheDrakWraith would know how to.

From what I see these HUD-boards only shows output from the game/application it is connected to, it is not possible to enter any input. My initial idea was to have a dial which one could turn to the proper value, and then it sent the data to the game and vice versa. I.e. it has to be mechanical, with some sort of motor to turn the dials. Or it could be some sort of touch-screen (TDC-app) that you could manipulate. But the mosta charming would definately be a electro-mechanical connection between the game and the external panel. To actually feel that you turn the "speed-dial" and the "range-dial" in the TDC. *dreaming*

-pal

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I must say I have only rarely seen such a well greased collective effort to derail a thread from its original object

It was at the top of the page, so I responded without thinking. My fault then; I should have said something right then.

"But dad, he started it!"

[Hitman]

From what I see these HUD-boards only shows output from the game/application it is connected to, it is not possible to enter any input. My initial idea was to have a dial which one could turn to the proper value, and then it sent the data to the game and vice versa. I.e. it has to be mechanical, with some sort of motor to turn the dials. Or it could be some sort of touch-screen (TDC-app) that you could manipulate. But the mosta charming would definately be a electro-mechanical connection between the game and the external panel. To actually feel that you turn the "speed-dial" and the "range-dial" in the TDC. *dreaming*

It only works one-way because car dash gauges are supposed to only be readed, and the driver has the buttons on his weel and keyboard for inputs. But nothing prevents you from having a full interactive TDC if youhave a tactile screen *AND* as I said, the proper dlls that accept inputs.