Silent Hunter 6

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Julhelm

The obvious answer is to dial back the simulation fidelity to something that is manageable, even if it makes hardcore simmers butthurt.

But we already have Aces Of The Deep. It was more realistic than any of them, and almost twenty years ago. Unless by "realism" you're talking about eye candy. The only need for a new subsim would be to get it right for a change.

[PL_Andrev]

I'm so sorry but you're wrong - hard simulations are dead now.

I'll show you what it works:
Our games are not for fun. They are for money only.
Developers pushes only two issues:
1) graphic effects (for kids)
2) simply control (for kids)
This is true because kids are best clients for developers.
Then all 'global' developers are not interested to make game not for kids.


After spectacular failure of SH5 it will be very hard to produce new sub-sim game.
Other productions like Battlestations, Actuw, PT-Boats or bugged Naval War do not help.
Success is needed.

At second side - game market hates emptiness so we have still a chance.
But do not await more complicated game than World of Tanks...

[tonibamestre]

This is why my friend...... hardcore simmers from the entire planet need to start collecting a quite good ammount of money, and dedicate it to the only task of developing an ultimate Naval Simulator, born from our multiple ideas and left it over a development team desk.

Gentlemen !!! Lets evolve NAVAL SIMULATION.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by tonibamestre

This is why my friend...... hardcore simmers from the entire planet need to start collecting a quite good ammount of money, and dedicate it to the only task of developing an ultimate Naval Simulator, born from our multiple ideas and left it over a development team desk.

Gentlemen !!! Lets evolve NAVAL SIMULATION.

Good luck.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by tonibamestre

Gentlemen !!! Lets evolve NAVAL SIMULATION.

You've convinced me! I'll head it up. Start by sending me money. Five dollars from each of our 70,000 members should be a good start.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You've convinced me! I'll head it up. Start by sending me money. Five dollars from each of our 70,000 members should be a good start.

If my calculations are correct herr kaluen, you shall be one rich invisible man devious plan!

[Julhelm]

Something more constructive would be to petition Sid Meier to make a new Silent Service just like he did Pirates! Then we'd probably end up with something playable and fun for a change.

[limkol]

@Sailor Steve,

I've got your money and am ready to send it to you. Just give me your bank account number and your access code number and I'll transfer the funds right away

He he he only joking... if anyone from the FBI is reading this

[Sonarman]

Originally Posted by Julhelm

Something more constructive would be to petition Sid Meier to make a new Silent Service just like he did Pirates! Then we'd probably end up with something playable and fun for a change.

You obviously didn't try "Railroads", what a disaster and I think Pirates!, though still fun, has been watered down more and more with every incarnation since its inception on the C64. I don't think Sid Meier would be interested in revisiting Silent Service and as for his Microprose compatriot Bill Stealey, he has been working on a semi-sequel to M1 Tank Platoon which also looks like a complete mess.

[finchOU]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But we already have Aces Of The Deep. It was more realistic than any of them, and almost twenty years ago. Unless by "realism" you're talking about eye candy. The only need for a new subsim would be to get it right for a change.

Yeah...what he said...This has been my main complaint of the Genre. We had a great sim in AOTD to pretty much use as "START HERE" when making a uboat sim from scratch. I think too many devoplers are trying to reinvent the wheel or get cute with fluff...and not enough BASIC siming and gameplay aspects. I think its hard for those who have played AOTD to swallow such a pill of these "newer" prettier but less immersive and playable sims. The newer player.....has no basis of comparison. I think its good that initial comparison from SH3 on crack to stock SH5 showed at least a big disparity for more people to realize just how bad it has become. AOTD was damn good out of the box...had maybe two patches and no MODs that I know of. It was a rockstar of immersion. I just wish people would realize that just because it's pretty...doesnt mean it will hold your attention if the gameplay sucks. There were aspects of AOTD that were gamey and not realistic ..but there was so much other good stuff that it really hooked me in and made you feel part of the hunt. I assumed, incorrectly, that once another Uboat sim came out...it would be even more immersive with better graphics.....we are getting there...but its really unbelievable that we were basically taking two steps back for one step forward for soooo long...to now, i think, were I think we have a chance to see something special in overly modded SH5 to maybe a new sim in a couple of years. SH5 stock...is just sooo damn gamey...point and clicky...and cheesy....so much to be desired.