People are not naturally kind.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Vendor

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That's what inner city's are like now Vendor on Friday & Saturday nights every weekend. There are a number of factors to take in and some of them are...No hope, future due to the economic mess we are in.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by STEED

That's what inner city's are like now Vendor on Friday & Saturday nights every weekend. There are a number of factors to take in and some of them are...No hope, future due to the economic mess we are in.

I guess this is a phenomenon that spread to different countries, what you describe,

[Platapus]

Few people have a lower opinion of humanity than I do, but I have to admit that I am frequently surprised at the decency of people.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Few people have a lower opinion of humanity than I do, but I have to admit that I am frequently surprised at the decency of people.

I must be one of those few people.

[Jimbuna]

The people (if that's what you choose to call them) are not stereotypical of the majority in society....thank God.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The people (if that's what you choose to call them) are not stereotypical of the majority in society....thank God.

I would have to agree here. We also must take a look of group dynamics concerning any single individual that is out of his element(the guy is from VA I believe, vulnerable and probably inciting a problem(via his drunken stupor). In short, he is an easy target. We don't walk into the lions den with a steak hanging around our neck. Even so, the group should not have done what was done. This is a hate crime IMO but the likes of Al Sharpton will not be marching the streets of Baltimore.

I have seen more people make good for others in a bad situation than those in a bad situation made worse. Generally I believe people are good but a younger crowd egged on and fueled by the juice can become a bad problem as seen here in the video.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The people (if that's what you choose to call them) are not stereotypical of the majority in society....thank God.

For some reason, this bit from a movie comes to mind.

[Penguin]

I can't see how this story makes the national news other than showing how foolish people are: the victim for the stated reasons and also the thugs for uploading their crime to the web. Other than that it looks not especially "savage" and is sadly not something uncommon.

However the video is quite interesting: check out the girl at 1:07 "You would think that they would intervene and try to help" - welcome to reality college-girl from lala-land...

What I don't get from the vid is that: was the key for the Audi worth $300 or the car itself?

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Also, the victim is an idiot.
- Never go out drinking alone.
- Never go out drinking with people you can't trust.
- Never go out to clubs or bars with anything you'd hate to lose. IE "Combat Wallet".
- Never go into neighborhoods you don't belong. Espeically at night.

I want to add:
- if a group of total strangers is uncommonly "friendly" towards you, and makes you the center of their attention: be extremely alert

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

This is a hate crime IMO but the likes of Al Sharpton will not be marching the streets of Baltimore.

If it was a hate crime, the beating would be much more brutal. The criminals seemed to have more interest in his stuff than in his skin color. The humiliation of the victim is more a sign of idiotic macho-thug culture than racism.

[Stealhead]

I think that booze is largely to blame for the entire incident obviously the Mountain Dew guy was most drunk but it is pretty obvious that most if not all of the others are also intoxicated just not as far along as Mr.Dew.

Also take into consideration that this happened in Baltimore which is known to have some uh upstanding citizens in certain neighborhoods.I think people are people some are good some are bad and many are in between when which ever suits them best so to speak.

I would agree that it was not a hate crime but more an idiot crime;a bunch of "liquid courage" people taking advantage of a dude that was out of place and obviously had no "allies" with him who ever his "friends" are those are the ones I personally would be most upset with because they obviously left the guy in a dangerous state.A good friend would never just leave a very drunk friend to their own devices in the middle of a large city.

I feel any person who thinks that all people are intrinsically bad or intrinsically good is heading towards folly humans are far too complex for such black and white notions obviously the human race survived some how and that fact alone should tell you something. Further more the media always focuses on the bad stories not the good ones many good things are done by people that never get much if any attention at all beyond the persons involved.I can absolutely guarantee you many people in a state such as Mr.Dew had nothing bad happen to them because someone came along and helped them in fact that probably happens more often than what happened to Mr.Dew.

Still the people that left Mr.Dew behind are the ones who should hang their heads lowest I think Mr.Dew now knows that some people he thought of as friends are not such good ones.I do not know about others but I have never ever left a drunken friend behind.

[krashkart]

It's a bit of a dichotomy with me. On the one hand I rage vehemently about how crappy people are; but on the other I have to remind myself that my attitude towards things makes a whole world of difference. If I look back on the number of people who helped me out when things were rough and try to count them, I wouldn't even bother to guesstimate a total. There are too many to count and most of their faces have faded with time. Now as opposed to the number of crappy people I've come across in life? The good outnumber the bad.

Just because a few buttheads jump into a group beatdown on some piss-drunk dimwit doesn't mean that the entire human race is crap. Any number of things could have set those folks off, and frankly I don't give a dang about their motivations. No matter who we are and what we do in life, sooner or later we're going to have to own up to our mistakes. How we handle things in life is what separates the gems from the trash. Most of us don't go around beating the tar out of everything bipedal because we are aware of the consequences of those kinds of actions vs. the rewards we reap for being good troopers in life. We keep our chins up and do our job, pay our bills, don't pick fights with funny-looking strangers and hey! Whaddya know? All of a sudden we realize that we don't have cops ramming the front door in to bring us to justice. We get to enjoy our rights as citizens. It's a learning experience. The ones who get stuck in that rut are the ones who continue to cause problems in society.

If the right people are in place at the right time then the right thing gets done. Those of us who give half a **** can and will do right by our fellows at some point in our lives, and those experiences are often quite rewarding. And those who not only give half a **** but are willing to put themselves at risk in order to do so, are already out there on the line (or learning to do so) helping the rest of us.

Good vs. Bad. Good with the bad. It's pretty much all the same to me these days, but there are still some things that happen that really make me wonder what got into that person's head.

[AVGWarhawk]

If it was a hate crime, the beating would be much more brutal. The criminals seemed to have more interest in his stuff than in his skin color. The humiliation of the victim is more a sign of idiotic macho-thug culture than racism.

Does the definition of hate crime state brutal beatings a prerequisite to being a hate crime? Spray painting the "n" word anywhere is a hate crime. Spray painting the Swastika on a Jewish worship center is a hate crime. No brutality in a spray can yet it is a hate crime.

I can't see how this story makes the national news other than showing how foolish people are: the victim for the stated reasons and also the thugs for uploading their crime to the web. Other than that it looks not especially "savage" and is sadly not something uncommon.

I can see why it is not national news...because Trayvon Martin has captured the national attention with marches, riots and the New Black Panthers forming a posse to execute a lynching. The New Black Panthers have verbally stated in no uncertain terms they want Zimmerman dead or alive. Yet, Holder sits idle by doing NOTHING. Al Sharpeton is doing what he does best. Agitate. So yes, I can see how this story could not make national news when there is plenty of sensationalism and gas for the Martin/Zimmerman case. The same circus with Casey and the daughter who was missing for months and trails of endless lies. But yes, stripping a guy in the streets relieving him of what he has is definitely not savage at all. It is a day at the beach. So tell me, how often do you see this in your neighborhood?