Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws

[Jimbuna]

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

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[Pisces]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Surveillance Tracking And (Web)Site Intelligence

Hey, lets call it The Stasi for short

I was thinking the same thing. Didn't we see this already some time ago.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I, for one, welcome our new totalitarian overlords.

MUST OBEY...MUST OBEY...

[vienna]

It wouldn't work here in the US, though. The states will want a piece of the action, and then we'd have the federal and state governments spying on each other. Not that they don't already.

Sorry, Steve...

Done deal:

The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...nsadatacenter/

The information on page 5 regarding the breaking of encryption is really interesting and really concerning. If the NSA has found a way to enable real time decryption of "strong encryption", how soon afterward do the entities we don't want to have this capability also gain this technology. This sort of tech very rarely stays in-house. How long until someone, say China, Russia, the Mossad, get this and use it against us? Then there is the corporate world; think of how much they would like to have tech like this to get a leg up on their competition or to spy on consumers to aid in marketing. The prospect of what we now know as "privacy" is growing dimmer as days go by...

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by vienna

Sorry, Steve...

The information on page 5 regarding the breaking of encryption is really interesting and really concerning. If the NSA has found a way to enable real time decryption of "strong encryption", how soon afterward do the entities we don't want to have this capability also gain this technology. This sort of tech very rarely stays in-house. How long until someone, say China, Russia, the Mossad, get this and use it against us?

It doesn't take much to crack the government data safes here. How many times have we seen news stories about another break-in at JPL, Social Security, NASA, the Defense Department, etc? It leaves me thinking that the government is completely inept at protecting it's own interests on its own soil.

Then there is the corporate world; think of how much they would like to have tech like this to get a leg up on their competition or to spy on consumers to aid in marketing. The prospect of what we now know as "privacy" is growing dimmer as days go by...

Why do you think Google and Facebook are free to use? Nothing we do online these days as private citizens is safe from data mining... and for that matter have a look at how many people are drooling over things like Google Chrome. How many times in an average day does someone tell someone to use Google to find the information they're looking for? Anything you type into their search box gets stored and eventually packaged into targeted advertisements. They don't need to crack any crypto to be able to tell what's on our minds.

[vienna]

They don't need to crack any crypto to be able to tell what's on our minds.

No, not at that level, but think like a corporate "creep" (couldn't think offhand of a better term) who really wants to know what consumers think and feel. The ability to snoop around your emails or other forms of communication is just too strong a temptation for those types to resist. The spreading use of RFID tags on many consumer products and tools such as credit/debit cards is just a small indication of how far corporations are willing to go to data on you and your activities. And, they are not even goverment agencies...

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[STEED]

Originally Posted by vienna

No, not at that level, but think like a corporate "creep" (couldn't think offhand of a better term) who really wants to know what consumers think and feel. The ability to snoop around your emails or other forms of communication is just too strong a temptation for those types to resist. The spreading use of RFID tags on many consumer products and tools such as credit/debit cards is just a small indication of how far corporations are willing to go to data on you and your activities. And, they are not even goverment agencies...

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capitalism is dead, corporlism is here and now, its aim is to return slavery to the world. I will gladly die fighting this evil and die a free man.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

capitalism is dead, corporlism is here and now, its aim is to return slavery to the world. I will gladly die fighting this evil and die a free man.

[antikristuseke]

[_dgn_]

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson

[vienna]

Why do you think Google and Facebook are free to use? Nothing we do online these days as private citizens is safe from data mining... and for that matter have a look at how many people are drooling over things like Google Chrome. How many times in an average day does someone tell someone to use Google to find the information they're looking for? Anything you type into their search box gets stored and eventually packaged into targeted advertisements. They don't need to crack any crypto to be able to tell what's on our minds.

The mention of Facebook and other "social media" brings up another breach of privacy: social network data mining. Here is the Homepage of one such company:

http://www.socialintel.com/

This came to my attention via a radio report on how employers are using these services as a means of finding out about prospective and/or current employees. These services function somewhat like a credit rating service except they have a much broader reach via social networking. This little bit of snooping came up also in a report about how employers are now out-of-hand rejecting applications for employment from applicants who are not currently employed. In other words, you can't get a job unless you already have a job. It used to be you had to have experience to get a job, but you couldn't get experience because you couldn't get a job. Now, you can't get a job because you don't have a job...

Adding the component af social network checks to already existing background checks (credt, employment, criminal, etc.) adds just one more layer and obstacle to those otherwise qualified who may not pass the muster of these checks. Oh, and don't think you can get by with cleaning up your social network page just before you go job hunting or anything else requiring a background check; the report said these "Social Intelligence"-type services keep an ongoing search of social sites, so something you deleted/erased may still be in their archives...

Not enpugh to raise your ire? how about how some of these services are also checking into those who are listed as "friends" or contacts on your social site? Don't smoke pot or belong to a suspect organozation or group, etc? Well, maybe a friend does; sort of guilt (or at least suspicion) by association...

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[Platapus]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Absolutely. They look out for us all the time, and would never try to take advantage of us.

<clearing throat> ahem. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from your government. <did I say that correctly?>

[vienna]

<clearing throat> ahem. If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear from your government. <did I say that correctly?>

The governing body has determined you should show more conviction...

Or, perhaps, you are looking for a conviction?...

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[krashkart]

Originally Posted by vienna

The mention of Facebook and other "social media" brings up another breach of privacy: social network data mining. Here is the Homepage of one such company:

http://www.socialintel.com/

This came to my attention via a radio report on how employers are using these services as a means of finding out about prospective and/or current employees. These services function somewhat like a credit rating service except they have a much broader reach via social networking. This little bit of snooping came up also in a report about how employers are now out-of-hand rejecting applications for employment from apllicants who are not currently employed. In other words, you can't get a job unless you already have a job. It used to be you had to have experience to get a job, but you couldn't get experience because you couldn;t get a job. Now, you can't get a job because you don't have a job...

Adding the component af social network checks to already existing background checks (credt, employment, criminal, etc.) adds just one more layer and obstacle to those otherwise qualified who may not pass the muster of these checks. Oh, and don't think you can get by with cleaning up your social network page just before you go job hunting or anything else requiring a background check; the report said these "Social Intelligence"-type services keep an ongoing search of social sites, so something you deleted/erased may still be in their archives...

Not enpugh to raise your ire? how about how some of these services are also checking into those who are listed as "friends" or contacts on your social site? Don't smoke pot or belong to a suspect organozation or group, etc? Well, maybe a friend does; sort of guilt (orat least suspicion) by association...

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Yeesh! I've heard this or that about social networking sites, but that stands my neck hairs on end.