What is the reason, for a war against Iran ?

[Foxtrot]

The nation is screwed from inside out both financially and mentally..and yet we are worried about fixing other nation a zillion miles away.
Makes sense..

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Foxtrot

The nation is screwed from inside out both financially and mentally..and yet we are worried about fixing other nation a zillion miles away.
Makes sense..

Fixing Iran? Hardly. The threat from proliferation and nuclear arms race in the ME is a threat to the whole globe. Everyboy is threatened by that. The threat does not end at nations' borders.

This is what some people simply do not want to see.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Fixing Iran? Hardly. The threat from proliferation and nuclear arms race in the ME is a threat to the whole globe. Everyboy is threatened by that. The threat does not end at nations' borders.

This is what some people simply do not want to see.

Oh, the irony.

So we're agreed then, Israel and USA should not be allowed nuclear weapons as it means their detractors will all want them too.

I stated my views on this once before. If governments want to take the righteous position regarding other governments nuclear capabilities, this needs to start at home. Otherwise, The arms race will continue, no matter what action is taken short of invasion and permanent occupation of the entire nation.

regards, Sam.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Sammi79

So we're agreed then, Israel and USA should not be allowed nuclear weapons as it means their detractors will all want them too.

.

That's cheap objectivism that avoids the issue of political and ideological motivations.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by MH

That's cheap objectivism that avoids the issue of political and ideological motivations.

That's true. After all, it is not like the United States would ever actually use Nuclear Weapons.........oh.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by MH

That's cheap objectivism that avoids the issue of political and ideological motivations.

At least it is objective.

Look, I don't particularly trust my own UK government with their nukes, I am similarly unsure about the USA government. On the other hand, the Israeli government seems IMO to be every bit as dangerous as the Iranian government, and just as ideologically motivated. Neither can I forget that USA is the only government with a demonstrated will to actually use such weapons.

The double standards that are being sold under the white sheet of 'world security' betray the malevolent intentions of the governments that propose it. My point is, if they are so serious that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons, they cannot argue that they should not have theirs for all the same reasons. But y'know I have said all this before, and the arguments against it basically revolve around me being naive, well whatever. The irony with that is I am clearly being more cynical than anyone who believes their own government is correct in this matter. Of course the ironies here just keep coming don't they?

Regards, Sam.

P.S. By the way, I had never heard of objectivism as in philosophy before, thank you for giving me the impetus to read upon it. I myself am a little further to the left, but the basis in reality is quite err... realistic?
Cheers!

[MH]

Originally Posted by Platapus

That's true. After all, it is not like the United States would ever actually use Nuclear Weapons.........oh.

OH...what this has to do with anything.
Nukes are about immunity in the first place.
For Iran it is insurance policy to push its regional agenda-that is good case scenario if things don't get too much out of hand.

World had been a few times at verge of nuclear holocaust during cold war now... we don't need fundamentalists to dictate the terms.

[Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Fixing Iran? Hardly. The threat from proliferation and nuclear arms race in the ME is a threat to the whole globe. Everyboy is threatened by that. The threat does not end at nations' borders.

This is what some people simply do not want to see.

I yet have to see jobless folks and crippled economy fueled by political corruption being threated by nuclear arms race in the ME.

..or is this way not to address the real issues and keep everyone busy in something else.

That's cheap objectivism that avoids the issue of political and ideological motivations.

No, that is you trying to avoid the inherent conflict in your own political and ideological motivations.

OH...what this has to do with anything.

You join all the dots then reject the picture you just drew yourself.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Come on people....disagreeing and challenging one anothers opinion (in a respectful manner) is acceptable but when matters turn to name calling and trading insults I will have no option other than to draw a line.

Hear, hear. Let's not get too carried away with taking these discussions personally, and try to keep the tone civil.

Maybe it's got something to do with me watching 20 episodes of the Sopranos back to back this weekend, but I have some new management styles I've been thinking of trying out.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Maybe it's got something to do with me watching 20 episodes of the Sopranos back to back this weekend, but I have some new management styles I've been thinking of trying out.

But Onkel Neal, I don't wanna go for a ride.

[Oberon]

So, instead of bring Keelhauled we get an offer we can't refuse?

[Krauter]

MH, what do you think of Meir Dagan saying in Jerusalem that bombing Irans nuclear program is the stupidest idea he ever heard?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

MH, what do you think of Meir Dagan saying in Jerusalem that bombing Irans nuclear program is the stupidest idea he ever heard?

What else is he saying?