What is the reason, for a war against Iran ?

Stealhead · 03-21-12, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

One last time OT, @Stealhead (errr "steal"?

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regarding a made-up AL-Quaeda - or is it Al-Quaida ? They say the latter word is the addendum "i" for indeed making it the word "database" ?
But what do i know.

I still say that your video link is a documentary that wishes to express an opinion just because any documentary says something does not make it true.For example the NRA can make a documentary that tells you that less gun regulation and more gun ownership is a good thing and an anti-gun organisation can just as easily make a documentary that says the exact opposite.

What exactly is the source that anything they say is true.Last time I checked the BBC was not MI6 or the CIA.

So "they" say the added i means that it means database I highly suspect that they are rely on the fact that few westerns seeing or reading this information can peak Arabic and will
trust what they say rather than look up the information form an outside source.

Catfish I fear that you have taken the bait hook,line and sinker.

There is no official standard for writing Arabic words in English so unless you also speak Arabic or have a way to find a source to explain what a word is than anyone can make up what the meaning is to deceive.

Why do "they" not say that Hamas,Hezbollah,or al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades are made up? Because it does not suit there interest.

Catfish · 03-21-12, 02:54 PM

What you say about reports or documentaries is certainly right, however it always is good to think about who gains most out of a situation, or event that happened. And think about all sides without prejudice.

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

What exactly is the source that anything they say is true.Last time I checked the BBC was not MI6 or the CIA.

If we come to that i am indeed of the opinion, that free independent journalism (and the BBC is not the Sun) can indeed more be trusted, than the MI6, or CIA. I mean apart of what they tell themselves, vs. what is told to the public. And there is always some aloofness, even between befriended services. Our territory, your territory.

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Why do "they" not say that Hamas,Hezbollah,or al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades are made up? Because it does not suit there interest.

It is not made up, it is just used in another way, but then you obviously did not watch the video and links i posted further north.

Stealhead · 03-21-12, 03:54 PM

Begging your pardon I did indeed view every one of your links the first time you posted them Catfish.Simply because I do not trust something that the BBC says or something that the Guardian says which I have already informed you is incorrect and you at first agreed with my point now you seem to recant and feel again that Al-Qaeda spelled a certain way means that it was created by the CIA and that Bin Laden used the name later.

You seem to be a believer in the conspiracy theories that surround 9/11 just as they do many other serious events such as the assassination of John F. Kennedy .And when you encounter one that does not agree with a given conspiracy theory you accuse them of not even looking at their sources. Conspiracy theories are just that theories very often based on very loose interpretation of known facts and where there is any chance for the given theory to fit in that is where it is placed.I can see them making that BBC doc right now "Lets see here ok Mitchel we know that some people think that the CIA created Bin Ladens group so lets just say that the CIA had a database on Bin Laden and it was called the database in Arabic"

Why do I have the feeling that you also believe what is said in "Loose Change"?

Let me give an example lets say that I have a conspiracy theory that purple lizard aliens form the planet Kilmzord are in control of our planet.I could easily say that the that Kilmzord lizard men created AQ in order to start a war between the humans in order to weaken them for easier complete take over at a later date.

Catfish · 03-21-12, 04:31 PM

I do not really believe all those conspiracy theories either, but i found those links interesting. Bin Laden himself did use this name earlier, already before 2000, however it did not refer to an organization - and not to a database, at least not by him.

Newspapers, Fox News and official reports from people heavily involved (FBI whatever). I mean if you want a security check about let's say a reactor, would you give the order to examine and produce this report, to the operating company; would you think you get a realistic evaluation then ?
I would say those conspiracy theories are only possible, because people have been lied to and deceived before, so they will see the dark side at work everywhere. "Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not after you".

So because the name A-Q does not really mean what those "revisionists" say, the rest is all made up as well ? Possible.

Even if any documentary can be made up (those mentioned originating from Pierre-Henry Bunel or so i think), what are your sources denying researches of a (more or less, ok) credible journalist ?

Greetings,
Catfish

Edit, just reread your post, seems you edited it a bit - i do not know about "Loose change" but will look for what you mean.

Stealhead · 03-21-12, 04:40 PM

Why the Kilmzord lizards of course.

Not to be insulting but my source is common sense and understanding that most any source has it own point of view/agenda you have to understand the varying information coming at you and flowing around the world and analyse it from as neutral a prospective as possible.That is how I can best explain it.

Catfish · 03-21-12, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

Why the Kilmzord lizards of course.

I have googled, and i did not find them !
"Did you mean: Komodo lizards "

Instead i found this:
http://www.2flashgames.com/f/f-Dinos...arch-75344.htm

Stealhead · 03-21-12, 04:54 PM

Ah I see that TLAMstrike 6 is at it again.I bet at this very moment he is time traveling back in time in order to save the previous TLAMStrikes and once they are all in one place at one time they become TLAMStrike Alpha Omega.

gimpy117 · 03-21-12, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

Why do I have the feeling that you also believe what is said in "Loose Change"?

honestly, I thought most of it was hogwash, but some of it was really thought provoking. especially the part about united 93. t is true, a 757 is a large aircraft...and it was vaporized without a fire AFAIK and no fuel residue found.

Torplexed · 03-21-12, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

honestly, I thought most of it was hogwash, but some of it was really thought provoking. especially the part about united 93. t is true, a 757 is a large aircraft...and it was vaporized without a fire AFAIK and no fuel residue found.

The problem with truthers is that expect a plane crash in a field to look like this....

A plane is made of thousands of parts. When it impacts nose first with ground it tends to disintegrate into a lot of small unrecognizable parts.

Plus, they duck obvious follow-up questions like...if the plane didn't crash what happened to it?

After that what happened to all the passengers and crew that were aboard?

Why stage a fake crash in a field? Why not at another famous American landmark?

If you want people to think an aircraft was going to crash into the capital and the aircraft that is supposed to have done it is missing along with all the crew and passengers, why not crash it into the capital instead of some anonymous stretch of Pennsylvania? Why not work the this staged emergency up to the hilt with all four planes?

gimpy117 · 03-21-12, 10:59 PM

oh im studying to get my A&P I know how many parts there are in a 757, something like 3,000,000 or so if you count rivets. But it's a large plane to just disappear like that. not saying it didn't happen, but the weirdest thing i wonder about is the lack of fuel found

Torplexed · 03-21-12, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

oh im studying to get my A&P I know how many parts there are in a 757, something like 3,000,000 or so if you count rivets. But it's a large plane to just disappear like that

It's my understanding that tons of debris were excavated from crater. I think a lot of the problem is that the aerial pictures of the crater didn't fit most people's idea of what a jet crash looks like with oily smoking wreckage and a vague wrecked aircraft shape. Kind of reminds me of Apollo disbelievers who think the moon landings were fake because the awkward looking lunar module didn't fit their mental picture of what a spaceship looks like.

Stealhead · 03-21-12, 11:15 PM

I would trust the opinion of someone trained in the studying air accidents for the FAA over someone studying A&P I assume this is aviation?

could you put in full words what you are studying please? I am pretty sure that is not specifically related to the study of air accidents.At least A friend of mine went to Emery Riddle and studied accident specifically and recvied a BA in it.

Have you seen the FAA investigation reports on this accident to allow you dispute with reputable evidence.Which to satisfy me would be a person with many years experience investigating air accidents.

Also do not forget that this plane struck the ground at a very high rate of speed much higher most likely than any previous crash involving an aircraft of this size.

If one takes into consideration the scattering effects of most air accidents at much lower speeds they tend to scatter wreckage fairly far so it seems logical to me for an aircraft striking the ground at a high rate of speed and diving for the ground (where as in most crashes the crew is trying to avoid this) it makes sense for most of the wreckage to go into the ground.

Of course it is always possible that one of TLAMs doubles might have managed to brain wash me maybe he did and I don't remember it because I am now a manchurian candidate.

03-21-12, 03:54 PM	#3
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Begging your pardon I did indeed view every one of your links the first time you posted them Catfish.Simply because I do not trust something that the BBC says or something that the Guardian says which I have already informed you is incorrect and you at first agreed with my point now you seem to recant and feel again that Al-Qaeda spelled a certain way means that it was created by the CIA and that Bin Laden used the name later. You seem to be a believer in the conspiracy theories that surround 9/11 just as they do many other serious events such as the assassination of John F. Kennedy .And when you encounter one that does not agree with a given conspiracy theory you accuse them of not even looking at their sources. Conspiracy theories are just that theories very often based on very loose interpretation of known facts and where there is any chance for the given theory to fit in that is where it is placed.I can see them making that BBC doc right now "Lets see here ok Mitchel we know that some people think that the CIA created Bin Ladens group so lets just say that the CIA had a database on Bin Laden and it was called the database in Arabic" Why do I have the feeling that you also believe what is said in "Loose Change"? Let me give an example lets say that I have a conspiracy theory that purple lizard aliens form the planet Kilmzord are in control of our planet.I could easily say that the that Kilmzord lizard men created AQ in order to start a war between the humans in order to weaken them for easier complete take over at a later date. Last edited by Stealhead; 03-21-12 at 04:14 PM.

03-21-12, 10:59 PM	#10
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	oh im studying to get my A&P I know how many parts there are in a 757, something like 3,000,000 or so if you count rivets. But it's a large plane to just disappear like that. not saying it didn't happen, but the weirdest thing i wonder about is the lack of fuel found __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army Last edited by gimpy117; 03-21-12 at 11:09 PM.

03-21-12, 04:31 PM	#4
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,776 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I do not really believe all those conspiracy theories either, but i found those links interesting. Bin Laden himself did use this name earlier, already before 2000, however it did not refer to an organization - and not to a database, at least not by him. Newspapers, Fox News and official reports from people heavily involved (FBI whatever). I mean if you want a security check about let's say a reactor, would you give the order to examine and produce this report, to the operating company; would you think you get a realistic evaluation then ? I would say those conspiracy theories are only possible, because people have been lied to and deceived before, so they will see the dark side at work everywhere. "Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not after you". So because the name A-Q does not really mean what those "revisionists" say, the rest is all made up as well ? Possible. Even if any documentary can be made up (those mentioned originating from Pierre-Henry Bunel or so i think), what are your sources denying researches of a (more or less, ok) credible journalist ? Greetings, Catfish Edit, just reread your post, seems you edited it a bit - i do not know about "Loose change" but will look for what you mean.

03-21-12, 04:40 PM	#5
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Why the Kilmzord lizards of course. Not to be insulting but my source is common sense and understanding that most any source has it own point of view/agenda you have to understand the varying information coming at you and flowing around the world and analyse it from as neutral a prospective as possible.That is how I can best explain it.

03-21-12, 04:54 PM	#7
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Ah I see that TLAMstrike 6 is at it again.I bet at this very moment he is time traveling back in time in order to save the previous TLAMStrikes and once they are all in one place at one time they become TLAMStrike Alpha Omega.

03-21-12, 11:15 PM	#12
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I would trust the opinion of someone trained in the studying air accidents for the FAA over someone studying A&P I assume this is aviation? could you put in full words what you are studying please? I am pretty sure that is not specifically related to the study of air accidents.At least A friend of mine went to Emery Riddle and studied accident specifically and recvied a BA in it. Have you seen the FAA investigation reports on this accident to allow you dispute with reputable evidence.Which to satisfy me would be a person with many years experience investigating air accidents. Also do not forget that this plane struck the ground at a very high rate of speed much higher most likely than any previous crash involving an aircraft of this size. If one takes into consideration the scattering effects of most air accidents at much lower speeds they tend to scatter wreckage fairly far so it seems logical to me for an aircraft striking the ground at a high rate of speed and diving for the ground (where as in most crashes the crew is trying to avoid this) it makes sense for most of the wreckage to go into the ground. Of course it is always possible that one of TLAMs doubles might have managed to brain wash me maybe he did and I don't remember it because I am now a manchurian candidate.