"Kiel inbound" plotted course option doesn't work properly

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 04:57 PM

All pre-plotted courses are dependent on your own course of approach. Your last waypoint has to be in the south-west sector of the Kiel-Canal-Inbound waypoint to unfold into it's opposite (north-east) quadrant.

Tinman764 · 03-15-12, 05:09 PM

Not to derail the thread, but I've always wondered if it's possible to influence the direction of the automatic search pattern, it never seems to go in the direction I want.

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 06:19 PM

Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds.

Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course.
The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left.
The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector.

If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2.
If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right.
If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east).

If still unclear I can draw a sketch.

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 06:24 PM

Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds.

Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course.
The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left.
The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector.

If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2.
If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right.
If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east).

If still unclear I can draw a sketch.

EDIT: I'm a bit confused myself right now, because it's been a while I used the feature and I think it was even a bit more complicated.
Will try to research...

Gargamel · 03-15-12, 07:09 PM

For mw:

If your course is NW, then finish point will be to the NW.

As to OP:

Inbound means you are returning FROM the north sea. Your map should have a start point already indicated. Start your inbound course there. Out bound takes you from the dock to the north sea.

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 07:53 PM

Ockham's razor leads to Gargamel's most elegant explanation.

Raptor · 03-15-12, 09:34 PM

The automated course doesn't work if you use the Start at Sea mod. You'll go aground quickly.

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 10:21 PM

It works if you do it right.

Outbound - starting at sea - (pass the locks, then) out of the correct sector (upper right?) put your last waypoint exactly onto the outbound waypoint (zoom in!) and ask your navigator to plot the course.

Edit:

03-15-12, 04:57 PM	#1
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	All pre-plotted courses are dependent on your own course of approach. Your last waypoint has to be in the south-west sector of the Kiel-Canal-Inbound waypoint to unfold into it's opposite (north-east) quadrant. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

03-15-12, 06:19 PM	#3
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds. Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course. The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left. The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector. If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2. If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right. If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east). If still unclear I can draw a sketch. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

03-15-12, 06:24 PM	#4
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds. Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course. The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left. The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector. If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2. If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right. If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east). If still unclear I can draw a sketch. EDIT: I'm a bit confused myself right now, because it's been a while I used the feature and I think it was even a bit more complicated. Will try to research... __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE Last edited by Mittelwaechter; 03-15-12 at 06:46 PM.

03-15-12, 07:09 PM	#5
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	For mw: If your course is NW, then finish point will be to the NW. As to OP: Inbound means you are returning FROM the north sea. Your map should have a start point already indicated. Start your inbound course there. Out bound takes you from the dock to the north sea. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

03-15-12, 07:53 PM	#6
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Ockham's razor leads to Gargamel's most elegant explanation. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

03-15-12, 05:09 PM	#2
Tinman764 Chief Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: U-32's Wintergarten Posts: 325 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 0	Not to derail the thread, but I've always wondered if it's possible to influence the direction of the automatic search pattern, it never seems to go in the direction I want.

03-15-12, 09:34 PM	#7
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	The automated course doesn't work if you use the Start at Sea mod. You'll go aground quickly. __________________ Raptor

03-15-12, 10:21 PM	#8
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	It works if you do it right. Outbound - starting at sea - (pass the locks, then) out of the correct sector (upper right?) put your last waypoint exactly onto the outbound waypoint (zoom in!) and ask your navigator to plot the course. Edit: __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE Last edited by Mittelwaechter; 03-15-12 at 10:43 PM.